Widow Maker?

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#21  
I agree 100%, I'm not putting anything of value anywhere near a tree that I'm going to fell. I like my tractor too much. I'll get to use the tractor for debris clean-up. If I need to remove a tree that is within striking distant of the house, then I'm hiring a pro.

P.S. I can never get that precision point right on the wedge cut, I don't cut the down slope steep enough. I guess, I need more practice. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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#22  
Pictures can be deceiving. Being somewhat lazy, I took this shot with the zoom lense. Notice the tree is in focus, but the misses isn't. I estimated the tree to be 75' before I felled it, and the deck was over 120' away. The hottub at the near end of the patio was in a potential danger area, but with the way the tree bent, I didn't think there was much of a chance for the tree to hit the tub. I didn't realize that the speed at the top of the tree would cause sticks to go flying when it hit the ground.
 
/ Widow Maker? #23  
Beenthere--

I wasy trained by my dad decades ago to use the method you describe, with the addition that whenever I can, I use a rope lasso'd as high up in the tree as I can get it down to the truck or tractor in the direction I want the tree to fall . . . among many other times, I used this on 9 trees with 8-16" trunks to clear space for the new barn last Fall, with very pleasing results . . . In your opinion, is there any compelling reason NOT to use a line, so long as the truck/tractor is out of the way (for example, that it might put too much tension on the trunk and make it less controllable)?
 
/ Widow Maker? #24  
I think the rope is a good safety plan especially on the size trees you mentioned, but there is a possibility that you can put too much tension on the tree. When making the backcut, if there is too much pull in the direction of desired fall (either by the tree leaning a lot or from a lot of pull on the rope) then the tree can pre-maturely split up the middle, causing what is known as "barber-chair". The split piece can kick out suddenly and has been known to catch a feller under the chin if not standing to the side. The cure (besides not putting too much pull on the rope) for a leaning tree is to "plunge cut" when making the backcut. This is sticking the nose of the bar into the tree leaving about 2-3" of uncut wood on the back side (away from the lean). When the backcut is finished toward the hinge, and the desired hinge is in place, then the 2-3" of wood is nipped away, causing a leaning tree to break loose and drop suddenly. This description may be hard to comprehend the way I've stated it, but it can be found in the literature as a safe way to drop leaning trees.
Here is a site that will help on felling trees.
Tree felling
I sometimes rope a tree, and even use a snatch pulley to allow pulling at an angle that doesn't expose the tractor or truck in case the rope is not long enough or position is a problem.
 
/ Widow Maker? #25  
Dave
It is a matter of practice, for sure. I found this site that shows the method I use (taught in a tree felling course I attended years ago) where I stand with my left shoulder against the tree, facing the direction I am going to fell the tree. Then with the saw at the angle that I want to make the top of the wedge cut, I sight along the handle of the saw (which is perpendicular to the bar) to the exact place I want the tree to drop. I then make the downward angled cut until I am into the tree with the bar about 80% of the tree diameter. If the tree is 16" then stop the cut when the bar is cutting 12-13". I then pull the bar out and make the bottom cut without moving my feet, meeting the cut at the point that I stopped the first cut. With repetition, the second cut can be watched to see that neither side cuts deeper than the first cut, ending up with a clean wedge being removed.

This is the site that talks about the wedge cut (lousy pics).
wedge cut

There are additional tips on this site, that you may want to review. Hope this helps.
 
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#26  
Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try next time.
 
/ Widow Maker? #27  
I am glad you pointed out that the notch should not be more than 1/4 the diameter of the tree. If it is cut too deep the tree falls too quickly and if it is hollow, as in this case, there is a lot less hinge material left. I would also add that the notch should be as wide as possible, idealy 90° so the tree can fall to the ground without breaking it. Also when you are cutting trees nobody should be within 2.5 tree lengths of you.

By the way, I thought a widow maker was a tree that was cut but got hung up in another tree. We always called dead trees snags.

JT
 
/ Widow Maker? #28  
<font color="red"> Widow maker- A loose limb, top, piece of bark or anything loose in a tree that may fall on a logger. </font>

I agree with you, and this is a definition that is in a loggers glossary.
 
/ Widow Maker? #29  
We always wrap a log chain tightly around the trunk of a hollow tree or those that have a heavy lean. Has held many trees together for me. Cut a 48" hard maple last week that only had 8" of wood in a "c" shape around the outside. You could climb in and stand inside of it...tree also had a good 10 degree lean. Hard to keep those from splitting. Happy yours came out OK. House looks too close for me, maybe the pic is deceiving.
 
/ Widow Maker? #30  
Widow Maker May be a very common term used in different industries to indicate situations which could result in injury.

Egon
 
/ Widow Maker? #31  
I've used the logging chain technique, suggested to me by an old farmer who lived on the adjacent farm, to wrap the trunk of a leaning tree. I was cutting white oak that were growing towards the light in his pasture, and they were leaning a lot. His suggestion worked, until the chain broke once (a big 24" white oak that split, then popped the chain which probably wasn't tight enough). After that, I took a safety logging course, they added the suggestion to make the back cut on leaners with a plunge cut, and I've used that technique ever since. But the chain is still a great idea and will keep the tree from splitting up the middle in a violent way.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Widow maker- A loose limb, top, piece of bark or anything loose in a tree that may fall on a logger.
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Now you know why I put a question mark on my subject. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
/ Widow Maker? #33  
beenthere
thanks for the logging link....lots of usefull information there. I've done a bit of tree felling on my property without incident (touch wood), but I see I have much to learn. I have nothing but respect for the chainsaw and I never try anything adventurous when doing tree work. one question... I have never tried a plunge cut out of fear of kickback. is there a technique for avoiding contacting the tip of the bar in an area that will cause kickback? thanks
 
/ Widow Maker? #34  
<font color="blue">I have never tried a plunge cut out of fear of kickback. is there a technique for avoiding contacting the tip of the bar in an area that will cause kickback? thanks
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Get a professional to show you how to make a plunge cut. Using a chainsaw with low kickback chain will help a lot. Do not cut with the top 1/4 of the tip of the bar; this is the area that will cause kickback.

JT
 
/ Widow Maker? #35  
When making a plunge cut, it is tough to do with the anti-kickback chain, which is the primary reason that I don't use it. That chain is designed to prevent cutting when the chain goes around the tip of the bar, to limit kick back. The plunge-cut requires the chain to cut while going around the tip of the bar. A plunge cut is sending the tip of the bar straight into the wood. Now, that said, I believe the anti-kickback chain may cut very slowly when plunge cutting. For sure, you can't make this cut with the silly metal attachments on the tips of some bars. I don't think anyone can use a chainsaw seriously to cut wood with one of these pieces of metal on there. It is designed to protect the mfg. only. It likely is the first thing removed. But that is another subject.

I find that a chain that is moving at cutting speed will not cause kick-back. It is when the chain is slowing down, or moving slow, that making contact with the tip and wood will cause the bar to kick. I also find that there is more kick-back with smaller saws, meaning both smaller in bar length and in weight.

When I rev the saw to cutting speed, I just hold it firmly and start cutting straight into the tree. Most of my cutting is white and red oak, and I always keep the chain sharp. Have had no problem with the bar kicking back when doing it this way. I still am cognizant that it could, and don't handle the saw lightly, but firmly. Always plan on kickback, and keep body parts out of the path of a saw bar that might be kicking back. That includes overhead sawing of limbs as the saw bar could come back onto the shoulder (may take an ear when it goes by too). Don't do "one hand" sawing, such as is tempting when on a ladder, or when bending a limb to avoid pinching the bar. Both hands on the bars will resist a lot of kickback. A loosely held saw can kick back much easier. Protective gear is good. They sell hardhats, kevlar gloves, and kevlar shoulder pads in safety jackets. In addition to the chaps and shoes.
 
/ Widow Maker? #36  
Just to add a story of my own...

When I was about 13-14, myself and a buddy were in the woods where the ground was pretty swampy. We were having fun pushing over birch trees that were about 8 inches in diameter. Until I pushed one and it didnt budge, so I pushing and wiggled until it broke... but it broke about 25 feet up. And landed right on my friends head. At the time we didnt realize how lucky we were that the section that broke was VERY rotted and more splattered on his head. Probably still hurt, but didnt hurt him any more than the shock of it. Could have really hurt him if it was solid. To this day I always wonder where something is going when it is comnig from the top of a tree.

Ken H.
 
/ Widow Maker? #37  
Here's OSHA's way of doing things. Its setup as a guide. At the bottom of each page is a button to continue on to the next lesson/guide/tutorial on tree felling. It has more information then most of us need or even realized was needed. There's even a figure showing where most bodily injuries are inflicted during an average year. Lotsa pictures for us visual guys /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logging/userguide/scope_application/scope_application.html
 
/ Widow Maker? #38  
My wife just told me a story and I thought I'd relate it here.
After our latest storm Isabel rolled through, the wind weren't enough to totally dislodge many limbs that were broken. A 70yo neighbor of my mother-in-law had a limb up a oak tree near his house. He got on a 20' ladder and went up to cut it off. The limb fell and hit the ladder sending this man to the ground. He suffered several fractures and broke his pelvis. He required several weeks in the hospital and then was put in rehab. The wife called my MIL and asked how she could apply for Medicare for her husband without having to sell all their assets to be eligible? My MIL took care of my FIL with Alzheimer's for 4 years by herself, so this neighbor thought my MIL could advise her.

My MIL said she didn't go through Medicaid for the care and didn't know how to do it. A few days later after checking with other people, my MIL called the lady back to tell her what she had found out and she didn't get an answer, but left a message. After several days of calling and driving by the house, she saw that the paper and mail was building up. Then the next day she got a call from the lady's daughter to say she found her mother at the house dead after she shot her 2 cats and then herself.

Seems this lady was used to having the husband take care of everything around the house and she couldn't handle facing having to take care of everything plus her husband who still is at rehab. I have no idea how much money she was talking about, but it's an older house with a large lot in a prime commercial location.

So, what's the moral to this tragic story, well you can make your own. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

But for $100 at least 2 lives were ruined.

g
 

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