Who really makes what?

[TSO]

my McCormick Ct28 is made by LS and has a 2250# lift capacity, how does that compare to what comes on the Case\NH and LS 30hp range tractors? I know my dealer said that range took a hit to the lift capacity when they switched to Woods built Loaders shortly after McCormick made the switch from LS to Kioti built units.

I didn't realize that LS used to build McCormick too... looking up your tractor, it looks just like the LS G3033 Series. I don't believe that there is a comparable C-NH model to that. From what I've seen, LS only builds the SCUT & CUT line for C-NH (The Boomer line, minus the "SuperSuite" series). NH also has the T15xx series & the TC30 which are both Shibaura, as well as the Workmaster series. The G30xx series for LS is their "budget" line of compact tractors... so I'm not sure if many other brands were buying them for their budget lines too... although since McCormick did, I suppose it's possible that others did as well.

 

[Guesseral]

What the funny part about the LS and the Boomer loaders is I think they are all made by the same company Amerequip Compamy

Client List - Design, Engineering and Manufacturing Solutions for OEMs

If you look at Amerequip's customer list they are both on there. I like the one on the boomer a little better because it is more rounded and out of the way even though it has a little less lift capacity. And the shape of the boomer arms and the angle of the cylinders could be the difference, although didn't LS increase the size of there cylinders at one time because people complained.

 

[Katahdin]

Hey thanks for the Amerequip link! In the picture gallery there is a photo of both the Yanmar LX CB85 backhoe and a John Deere backhoe on the same production floor. Very interesting!


http://www.amerequip.com/assets/images/photos/galleries/production/amerequip-collection-14.jpg

 

[murphy1244]

Hey thanks for the Amerequip link! In the picture gallery there is a photo of both the Yanmar LX CB85 backhoe and a John Deere backhoe on the same production floor. Very interesting!
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http://www.amerequip.com/assets/images/photos/galleries/production/amerequip-collection-14.jpg

But Totally two different Backhoes.

 

[Guesseral]

Yea Amerequip makes a lot of equipment for a lot of different companies, it's nice to see they are made here in the states.

 

[GManBart]

I like the one on the boomer a little better because it is more rounded and out of the way even though it has a little less lift capacity.

It's more than "a little less" on some models. The Boomer 50 loader is listed at 1,940lbs to max height, at the pins. The R4044/4047 loader is 2,634lbs at the pins to max height (website incorrectly lists 2,500lbs).

It's like 40% more for the LS....a huge difference.

 

[TSO]

It's more than "a little less" on some models. The Boomer 50 loader is listed at 1,940lbs to max height, at the pins. The R4044/4047 loader is 2,634lbs at the pins to max height (website incorrectly lists 2,509lbs).

It's like 40% more for the LS....a huge difference.

well. .. More like 25% lol. .. But still quite noticeable. However, the NH 250tl loader does reach about a foot higher I believe. That would come in handy at times

 

[Sysop]

well. .. More like 25% lol. .. But still quite noticeable. However, the NH 250tl loader does reach about a foot higher I believe. That would come in handy at times

More than just being handy, the extra foot of lift is a logical explanation for the reduced capacity. Both base units being identical, the higher a loader takes weight, the less weight the base tractor's weight can keep stable. Lifting to a set height both loaders can reach, I'd bet the capacities are closer that we might think.

 

[TSO]

More than just being handy, the extra foot of lift is a logical explanation for the reduced capacity. Both base units being identical, the higher a loader takes weight, the less weight the base tractor's weight can keep stable. Lifting to a set height both loaders can reach, I'd bet the capacities are closer that we might think.

A bit closer, but not much. The LS has less lateral reach and is more stout, including the cylinders. That lateral reach angle directly plays into the overall lift height. The NH loader just doesn't have the hardware built in to lift as much. The biggest factor that I think favors the LS in the breakout force... nearly 800lbs higher IIRC .

 

[GManBart]

well. .. More like 25% lol. .. But still quite noticeable. However, the NH 250tl loader does reach about a foot higher I believe. That would come in handy at times

It's actually 36% more lift. 1,940lbs x 1.36 = 2,638lbs....close enough.

The extra lift height would definitely come in handy at times, but not as much as the extra lift capacity (for what I do). I routinely run out of lift capacity, and have only run out of height twice, but I was still able to get the job done with some planning. I was loading 30yd rolloffs, and couldn't quite reach high enough to crush the contents well after dumping...put the forks on periodically and they reached in far enough to compact everything.

 

[GManBart]

More than just being handy, the extra foot of lift is a logical explanation for the reduced capacity. Both base units being identical, the higher a loader takes weight, the less weight the base tractor's weight can keep stable. Lifting to a set height both loaders can reach, I'd bet the capacities are closer that we might think.

The extra height would account for some of the reduced lift capacity, but I doubt 36% difference. As already mentioned, the breakout force is also significantly higher for the LS, 4,354lbs versus 3,470lbs...884lbs difference. I think it's pretty fair to say the LS loader has a clear edge in power, but not height.

 

[Elkins45]

So why buy a New Holland (or Case or Massey...) when the actual maker sells functionally the same unit at presumably a lower price?

Access to dealers and parts? Any other reason?

And here's a semi-related question: what is the general consensus on the quality of Iseki made machines?

 

[TSO]

So why buy a New Holland (or Case or Massey...) when the actual maker sells functionally the same unit at presumably a lower price?

Access to dealers and parts? Any other reason?

And here's a semi-related question: what is the general consensus on the quality of Iseki made machines?

Because some people don't take the time to research, and learn about these things. Also, some people believe that by buying the Case or NH version, they will have better dealer support and parts availability.

And, as stupid as it sounds, when I was shopping around, I would have rather bought the Bobcat version of the Kioti, only because I like the name recognition and color scheme better. I had already owned a Kioti and liked the quality, so I knew it would b a good machine either way.

Personal idiosyncrasies have an effect at times that defy reasoning.

Iseki makes Massey Ferguson, and the general consensus is that Massey is a quality machine.

 

[Elkins45]

Is it dumb of me to think I would rather have a Japanese sourced tractor than a Korean one? For some reason I tend to lean toward Japanese products over any other offshore producer country. Maybe it's because I've had such good luck with Toyota products over the years.

How much of a price premium must one pay for the domestically produced Deere products over comparable imported units?

 

[murphy1244]

Is it dumb of me to think I would rather have a Japanese sourced tractor than a Korean one? For some reason I tend to lean toward Japanese products over any other offshore producer. Maybe it's because I've had such good luck with Toyota products over the years.

Go with what your Heart tells you. I'd sooner have German

 

[AGRIMAN]

]Not the Boomer 3040,45, & 50 super suite tractors. .. Those are still Shibaura.

The only part of the CVT super suite that's shibaura is the engine and front axles. They have nothing to do with transmission or the cab.

 

[arlen4720]

Go with what your Heart tells you. I'd sooner have German

You need a JD 6000R then:thumbsup:

 

[Sysop]

I personally think in today's world of CNC machining, it all comes down to design. Purchase a machine that is designed best for the tasks you need it to perform, do the maintenance as directed by whatever manufacturer it is, and whatever it is will serve you well. The days of everything being sourced from a single region are done, manufacturing has gone global.

 

[murphy1244]

You need a JD 6000R then:thumbsup:

No Thanks. I work hard for my money.

 

[Elkins45]

Go with what your Heart tells you. I'd sooner have German

Are there German CUTs being sold in America?