Who has a Concealed Carry?

[jaybrad]

Perhaps it could be argued that the founding fathers could never of imagined or believed that one gun could kill so many people in such a short period of time?

I've always thought the debate about what the founding fathers thought was an interesting one - and certainly not just on the 2nd amendment.

How could anyone > 200 years ago have really imagined what life would be like in the 21st century?

Indoor plumbing, electricity, central heat and air conditioning, medicine, technology...the list is endless.

As such parsing out the Constitution and Bill of Rights is an interesting academic exercise, to be sure.

 

[Sigarms]

How could anyone > 200 years ago have really imagined what life would be like in the 21st century?

Perhaps thats why having a drivers license and being able to drive a car is a privilege and not a right?

 

[dmccarty]

As such parsing out the Constitution and Bill of Rights is an interesting academic exercise, to be sure.

Its not academic. The decisions made based on such parsing effect us daily.

The US Constitution is real simple. It tries to protect the majority of the people from the minority and the minority of the people from the majority. Technology may change but human nature does not.

Later,
Dan

 

[riptides]

Its not academic. The decisions made based on such parsing effect us daily.

The US Constitution is real simple. It tries to protect the majority of the people from the minority and the minority of the people from the majority. Technology may change but human nature does not.

Later,
Dan

It's core values of peace, liberty and justice are timeless and should be applied to everyone at everytime in our country.

 

[MossRoad]

I have to agree with you Matt. The first rule of battle is know your enemy. That's why I wear shirts out in public that hide what little build I do have.

Yeah, I have to walk hunched over a bit to conceal properly. Otherwise my belly pushes out my t-shirt!

 

[jaybrad]

Its not academic. The decisions made based on such parsing effect us daily.

The US Constitution is real simple. It tries to protect the majority of the people from the minority and the minority of the people from the majority. Technology may change but human nature does not.

Later,
Dan

Au contraire, I think it is very academic, which is simply an adjective about the process and not a pejorative term.

But I do agree that the decisions made *affect* us daily.

 

[weldingisfun]

The following is intended to be historical NOT political.

Bird,

I always get this interesting picture in my mind when someone seems to claim that the Founding Fathers had concealed weapons in mind when they wrote the second amendment. Most of the portraits one sees of those gentlemen have them in real tight pants. Imagine a flintlock pistol stuck down those real tight pants. I guess they would have carried them in their coats, but even then they'd be hard to hide, and if hidden they'd be hard to get to quickly....they had lots of snaggy parts to them. Might tend to lose their prime, too, I would guess.

Ah well. Seems to me it's about time Hakim and the boys started a new site. GunsByNet? Wonder if anyone already has that name.

Chuck

No one is claiming that they know what the Founding Father's intent was or was not. The words are very simply stated ",,,the right if the people to keep and bear Arms,,,"

This may be an interesting bit of historic trivia:
"When the (South Carolina, added) Provincial Congress adopted the Constitution, it also elected its president, William Henry Drayton, as the chief justice of the Supreme Court. Drayton was also a member of the Continental Congres. His son wrote:"Mr. Drayton always had about his person, a dirk and a pair of pocket pistols; for the defense of his life."* ^*
*John Drayton, Memoirs of the American Revolution...As Relating to South Carolina (Charleston: A.E. Miller, 1821), vol. 1, at 378.
^*Stephen P. Halbrook, The Founder' Second Amendment...ORIGINS OF THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2008),Chap. 6, Para. 7.

It is correct that the Founders wore coats with their real tight pants. Those coats had rather large pockets. The technique of the "quick draw" was still 75+ years away.

 

[Chuck52]

The following is intended to be historical NOT political.



No one is claiming that they know what the Founding Father's intent was or was not. The words are very simply stated ",,,the right if the people to keep and bear Arms,,,"

This may be an interesting bit of historic trivia:
"When the (South Carolina, added) Provincial Congress adopted the Constitution, it also elected its president, William Henry Drayton, as the chief justice of the Supreme Court. Drayton was also a member of the Continental Congres. His son wrote:"Mr. Drayton always had about his person, a dirk and a pair of pocket pistols; for the defense of his life."* ^*
*John Drayton, Memoirs of the American Revolution...As Relating to South Carolina (Charleston: A.E. Miller, 1821), vol. 1, at 378.
^*Stephen P. Halbrook, The Founder' Second Amendment...ORIGINS OF THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2008),Chap. 6, Para. 7.

It is correct that the Founders wore coats with their real tight pants. Those coats had rather large pockets. The technique of the "quick draw" was still 75+ years away.

Cool! And note: It was apparently sufficiently unusual for his son to mention it.

Chuck

 

[MossRoad]

I find it interesting that most folks that have quoted the 2nd amendment here as:

"the right of the People to keep and bear arms"

Do not quote the entire sentence:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

That entire sentence has to be interpreted, not just part of it.

The word "People", as mentioned in the preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-0 promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

may refer to the states, not the individual.

 

[Sigarms]

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

And my question would be who here belongs to a militia that is not employed by the goverment? I'd guess VERY few.