Which one to buy?

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Want to buy new tractor and not sure which one to get? here it is,, Kubota B7800 w\fel,backhoe $21,400 , JD 4210 same setup $24,250 or Branson 3510 same setup $22,500.. everyone keeps telling me go with the kubota, little worried about not having a subframe for the backhoe on it.. the JD is good, I just think there a little overpriced.. and the Branson is new out there, but it looks like a good tractor, just don't have the hydrostatic on it, but I think I can live with the shuttle shift.. but still worried about it being new out there.. what ya guys and or gals think.. thanks from the northwest...

 

[GerardC]

Have you considered looking/buying KIOTI? Gerard

 

[jpierce]

I will not try to jump on the bandwagon, but I priced and looked at the Kubota and JD. $4000 to $10,000 more than a CK30 HST.

Sure can buy alot of implements and other toys with the extra $$$

 

[aloha]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( everyone keeps telling me go with the kubota, little worried about not having a subframe for the backhoe on it )</font>

Welcome to TBN.

I agree that a subframe is a benefit on this size tractor. Have you considered a backhoe other than Kubota's? I have a Woods 7500 backhoe on a subframe for my B7800 and find it to be a great combination. And, it cost a little less than the Kubota backhoe.

I will PM you with some other info.

 

[GerardC]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I will not try to jump on the bandwagon, but I priced and looked at the Kubota and JD. $4000 to $10,000 more than a CK30 HST.

Sure can buy alot of implements and other toys with the extra $$$ )</font>

And that's including standard features as opposed to upgrading to options on the others. You just can't go wrong. Gerard

 

[Charlie_in_TX]

You told us what you think your options are but not your uses, how much land. I have no backho experience. I do know the put alot up stress on the tractor. IMO a subframe is required.

 

[KiotiJohn]

I don't think you've looked at enough tractors yet. Suframe or Woods new 4pt, YES. NO to 3pt! My opinion.
I looked for a year at: gray market tractors of all makes, Kubota, Mahindra, JD, NH, Massey, Branson, Century etc. Ended up with a great deal on a Kioti. They're all good tractors, and wouldn't worry about them being "new" out there as I think you'll find all of those makes you mentioned have actually been made for a while.
A lot of folks don't realize that Kioti has been in the states since 1985. Kubota came here in the 70s. Kukje (branson engines) who has a deal with Cummins Diesel has been around for a while too.
I won't recommend anything as I have no idea what you need it for, but any of these are good tractors. Find the one you like being on, with comfortable controls, a good price, good financing if needed, and a dealer you can feel good about and buy THAT tractor.
It goes without saying that I think Kioti is makes an outstanding product. John

 

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Don't know anything about the kioti (?) , I have 3 acres of land, I plan on using the backhoe to clean out drain ditch, 425 ft long, and I need to put in a couple more drainage lines. Plus I got a lot of blackberries I want to clean up, I have a brushhog but doesn't work to good on a vertical bank. I believes I could put backhoe to a lot of different uses. I'm also thinking of doing side jobs with this tractor. Also plan on building a new home in few years with more land to play on.. I like doing a lot of outside projects, but I can also be a little hard on equipment sometimes.. But not to bad.. Ok plus my wife thinks my tractor will be sexy!! She is the outdoor kind of women, rather go to homedepot than a jewelry store.. likes to get her hands dirty....

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have 3 acres of land, I plan on using the backhoe to clean out drain ditch, 425 ft long, and I need to put in a couple more drainage lines. Plus I got a lot of blackberries I want to clean up, I have a brushhog but doesn't work to good on a vertical bank. )</font>
If you get a chance, take a look at my albums and see some of the jobs I've done with my CK20. I've also made posts about dragging trees where I pulled some pretty large pines around like they were nothing. I have the loader and backhoe as well, and really get a lot done with my Kioti CK20HST. Sorry, my brush mower doesn't do too well on a vertical bank either! John

 

[Bob_Skurka]

I think you are looking at tractors that are too large for 3 acres of land. If it was me, I'd look at a small frame tractor with a good FEL and a subframe mounted backhoe. (Since you are familar with JD and Kubota think along the lines of the JD4115 or Kubota B7610) I would trust any of the big 3 brands, plus all the minor brands like Cub Cadet, Kioti, Mahindra, Massey Ferguson. Branson makes a nice tractor, but nothing as small as I would recommend.

The reason I would go smaller is that you have 3 acres, once you are done with the projects a big tractor will do, you will have a tractor that is way too big for the land. A smaller tractor may take a bit longer to do the initial projects, but it will still be a useful tool in the future. JMHO

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also plan on building a new home in few years with more land to play on.. )</font>
Poster added this in his last post. Still think he's going too big? John

 

[SnowRidge]

The Bransons are good sturdy tractors. I have a 3520, which I really like, but that price for a 3510 seems a little much. I may be wrong, but I would price that combo at a couple of other dealers, just to be sure.

I'm not familiar with the Kubota or JD models, but if they are roughly equivalent to the Branson, they should be quite a bit higher in price. <font color="green"> Green </font> and <font color="orange"> Orange </font>paint is more expensive than <font color="red"> Red </font>. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

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Tracer,
I'm also in WA. I also have three acres of land with blackberries, salal and lots of trees. I have cleared all the brush and pulled many stumps with my bx23. For me the size of the bx is perfect. there are some pictures on the link next to my signiature that show what I have done with it. What part of WA are you in? If you are close enouggh, I could let you demo the bx at my place to get a feel of what size of machine you will need for your situation. Good luck on your search and purchase.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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( Also plan on building a new home in few years with more land to play on.. ) </font>

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Poster added this in his last post. Still think he's going too big? John
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OK I did miss that, but I'm not so sure what my opinion is now. If he has only 3 acres, and if he doubles his property, then my answer still is valid. If he TRIPLES his property size to 9 or 10 acres, then I would say my answer is going to be on the slighly small side, but still valid. If he goes much bigger than that, then I'd opt for a roughly a 30hp machine. At that point (roughly 10+ acres), the JD and the Kubota that he chose would still fit in. The Branson is 35hp and roughly double the weight of the Kubota B7800, I think that is pretty large for machine that will spend the first few years of its life on 3 acres and may, or may not ever get onto enough property to actually work that thing the way it could be worked. Further, I think it would make a lousy lawn mower for 10 acres, but the B7800 would at that point excel at lawn mowing duties when the real projects are done.

I guess, even though I missed the fact that he wants more land in the future, I still question the size of the tractor. I think a lot of people buy too big and end up spending more money than they really need to spend. Your CK20 is a prime example of how much work a small tractor can accomplish. I think Henro is another example of how much can be accomplished with the B2910 (deluxe version of the B7800) and that is still a pretty small tractor.

 

[Tracer]

Ok. I have been looking around for kioti dealer, but the nearest one seems to be about 5 hrs away in another state, so that tractor is out.. a friend of mine let me try out his k7800 with the 3pt backhoe setup, seems pretty nice to use but I think I need to get the woods backhoe with the subframe unit, not the kubota brand. sounds like this is the tractor I'm going to get.. thanks,, any other words of wisdom is always accepted and appreciated... thanks Tracer

 

[schole]

My wife just surprised me this week with a Kubota L3400 with FEL, 72" RFM, R4s and gear transmission at 0% for 36 months -- she was sick of my telling her how great it was...

I tried the HST transmissions...seemed to use up some hp on these smaller units. I found many gear transmissions to be slow, clunky, and generally a pain to use. The Kubota has the nicest gear trans I have ever driven (grew up on gear trans tractors). I was very surprised -- from this forum, I had expected that the HST was the only thing to have these days. It also like the fact that the tires just spin instead of the engine bogging down when I overload the tractor. I am not used to HST and many say that once you are, you will love the HST. The dealer said that many guys still enjoy the gear transmissions -- they are nothing like the ancient ones you may have driven.

The CK30 was priced higher for less hp than the Kubota here!! Hands down, the L3400 was a better put together machine than the CK30 with shuttle transmission. The HST model seemed a great deal less powerful than either the CK30 gear and most definitely than the L3400.

The red and blues couldn't compare on features, power, and price.

I would carefully consider the R4s. They look the best and I chose them for all round performance, longevity and stability. They DO NOT have the traction I was expecting. I will be purchasing chains in the very near future for the icy hills on my place.

I would say get the most hp for your budget with the fewest frills -- but that's just me. Obviously, there is such a thing as too big to manouver. I don't think this is really an issue in the mid 30 hp range and smaller. Others may disagree.

Get one soon. You will love whatever you get!! Best toy I have ever stolen.

Shawn

 

[Tracer]

OK... its a done deal for me, went out and bought the JD 4310, with fel,backhoe-2 buckets, 18" and 9", also box blade.. whewwww.. wife talked me into it without twisting the arm...get it next week, can't wait... I got lots of work for it, sold the o'l massey TO-35 diesel deluxe and bought a 18' 10k trailer today, BUT, stopped and loaded 2'5 ton hay on it on the way home,, back a little sore. BUT THE WIFE LOVES ME.... when I get pics I'll try and get them out.. really appreciate all the help you guys gave me.. I know some of you think I might be going to big, but I like to be a little big than too small.. Thanks Tracer

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Enjoy your new machine and Be Safe!!!


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I will not try to jump on the bandwagon, but I priced and looked at the Kubota and JD. $4000 to $10,000 more than a CK30 HST. )</font>

What tractor did you price that cost $10K more? I paid less than $16K for my 4310 eHydro. Where, oh where can I find a CK30 HST for only $6000 new?

Furthermore, Has Kioti changed its policy and started listing any pricing on the net? When I was looking, I looked long and hard for Kioti pricing. Couldn't find it at that time.

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What tractor did you price that cost $10K more? I paid less than $16K for my 4310 eHydro. Where, oh where can I find a CK30 HST for only $6000 new? )</font>
I'm guessing here, but I imagine he meant between apples and oranges, not comparables.
I didn't notice that jpierce said he got the prices from the internet, did I miss it? John

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm guessing here, but I imagine he meant between apples and oranges, not comparables. )</font>

It is blatant blanket statements like this that New readers need to watch out for. Especially if a poster doesn't have many posts.

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I didn't notice that jpierce said he got the prices from the internet, did I miss it? John )</font>

No, you didn't miss anything. I just wonder why so many manufacturers don't put pricing online. (Even if it is MSRP) I think I'll start a thread about this. Who knows, maybe someone at one of these corporations just might get wind and change a policy...Kyle