Which dump truck

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liberty2701

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I need to purchase a dump truck. HEre are my uses.
Occasional firewood sale 6 to 20 cords a year. I presently use my f250 with a loadhandler. I can deliver 2/3 cord at a time.
Road maintenance on my own property moving fill for road washout repair.
Looking at f350 to f550 class including 1980's era 28k gvw dump truck.
If i can move 2 to 3 yards of sandy fill at a time and 1 cord of firewood,do you think an f350 class dump will fit my uses?. The only on road use will be for the firewood. The f350 class will be the most cost effective in my opinion but will it hold up?
 
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I have an F450 4x4 with a 9達odd plow and a gas v10 that I picked up ten years ago with 70k miles. I got it for $4800 or so at the suburban municipal auction in the cChicago suburb I lived in at the time.

Things to be aware of are: the F350 will have limited load capacity compared to the F450. My F450 has a gvwr of, I think , 14500 lb, but the empty weight is just under 10k, so it痴 easy to scale out of the pit above the manufacturer gvw rating. I致e scaled at 19k plus with a load of gravel in the 8 bed. Nothing broke, but I shoot for 16k max for local hauling.

The F350 has virtually no reserve for hauling cargo if a heavy dump bed is installed.

In Michigan, an F450 and above requires commercial gvw plates, and commercial insurance. A dump truck is more expensive to insure than a flat bed or box truck. I buy my plates in 3 or six month intervals to keep costs down, as I only plow my own shop in the winter, and hold off dirt work, which requires road travel, until mid summer.

Towing a trailer above 10k gets you into CDL territory, as will any truck with a 28k gvw.

I also have an F600 dump, which I haven稚 licensed in years. It痴 a pain to drive, with no power steering, and is high maintenance. Tires and brakes are expensive compared to the F450.
 
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I have an F450 4x4 with a 9�odd plow and a gas v10 that I picked up ten years ago with 70k miles. I got it for $4800 or so at the suburban municipal auction in the cChicago suburb I lived in at the time.

Things to be aware of are: the F350 will have limited load capacity compared to the F450. My F450 has a gvwr of, I think , 14500 lb, but the empty weight is just under 10k, so it痴 easy to scale out of the pit above the manufacturer gvw rating. I致e scaled at 19k plus with a load of gravel in the 8 bed. Nothing broke, but I shoot for 16k max for local hauling.

The F350 has virtually no reserve for hauling cargo if a heavy dump bed is installed.

In Michigan, an F450 and above requires commercial gvw plates, and commercial insurance. A dump truck is more expensive to insure than a flat bed or box truck. I buy my plates in 3 or six month intervals to keep costs down, as I only plow my own shop in the winter, and hold off dirt work, which requires road travel, until mid summer.

Towing a trailer above 10k gets you into CDL territory, as will any truck with a 28k gvw.

I also have an F600 dump, which I haven稚 licensed in years. It痴 a pain to drive, with no power steering, and is high maintenance. Tires and brakes are expensive compared to the F450.

The good thing here in NH is with farm plates no cdl is required. In addition insurance is optional. I never plan on hauling the fill on the road. The only thing would be firewood. I was looking to use the f350 only on my property for moving sandy fill or stone. I have my own pits to pull from. I am more concerned with breaking the f350 with two or 3 yards at a time that i will move. It sounds like in your opinion it will not be up to the task. I will look at an f450 or higher I guess.
 
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I found a deal on my F450. Like Finn said, the bigger chassis allows for actually hauling something in the bed. My truck tares out at a little over 8000 lbs and the GVWR is 15,000 lbs. So I'm legal with 3 tons on. But my truck is 2wd and does not plow. Its also a 7.3L diesel with 6 speed stick. I absolutely love this truck!

The 450 and 550 trucks are what a "1 ton" dump should be. The 350's are just to light. Even if you are off-road, with 3 tons (2 CY typical) you will be overweight and likely to start breaking springs, shackles and U joints.

I keep regular plates on my truck, no signs and was told by the registry that it is fine as a personal truck. Nothing else needed. I do insure it with Progressive on a commercial policy and its very affordable.
 
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It will hold up, we do about everything we need to do around the farm, firewood, gravel dirt, plowing etc, with an F350 dump diesel and it doesn't have any problem doing it.

If you were moving gravel everyday like my buddy does I would say a 550 is what's needed, that's what he has to do that job but the regular guy doing what your doing the F350 dump will do it without an issue.. Diesel is the way to go IMO..
 
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I’ve got a regular 1 ton dump truck. Around here nobody cares about GVW. I can haul about 4 tons, but that’s a slow and careful trip. 3 tons is no problem. If you live in a GVW enforced state than buy more truck. Mines only good for about a ton staying under 10,000. I plan on running my truck a couple more years and buying a 4500. I’ve not done any serious shopping because I can’t afford it right now, but from my road shopping the ram 4500/5500 are the most capable pickups.
 
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Just a thought. What about a dump trailer?? I had a Chevy 3500 dump truck but here in NY plates and commercial insurance for minimal personal use cost me way too much. Sold it and bought a 16' dump trailer. Trailer weighs just under 4K and is rated for 14K so can haul 10K or less in it. Sides are lower than the dump truck so its easy to load with tractor. You already have the F250 to tow with.
 
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Mine truck gets used a lot and is a lot more convenient than a trailer. I could buy a pretty nice 2 ton dump truck for what a dump trailer cost.
 
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I have an 85 Ford LN700 dump running 28k GVW. Use it under an Agricultural exemption so no CDL required (with many limitations)-very useful for road work etc.

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Now that is a dump truck..

Thanks-gotta love an old Louisville Ford w/8.2 DD at a whoppin’ 190ish Hp !! Not winning any speed or acceleration titles!! I may only go 5-10 mph up some grades, loaded but I get there eventually
 
/ Which dump truck #12  
I bought a F650 with a 360 big block gas engine and 4 speed manual transmission that can haul five yards without sideboards and six with boards. It's been great at moving dirt around my place, but it was never meant for constant off road usage, and as a result, I sanded my engine. Basically the factory stock air filter system is not good enough to keep out the constant dust created by going over the same dirt road over and over again. After rebuilding the engine, a friend gave me a much better air filter system that has an inner and outer filter like used on ag tractors. I mounted it to the side of the radiator and made it so it gets air from the grill as far forward as possible. The difference is night and day.

My bed lifts from a PTO off of my transmission. I have to be stopped. Then I put it into the PTO gear and rev the engine to power the hydrualic pump that lifts the bed. Higher the engine revs, the faster it lifts the bed. This all works fairly well once you get used to it.

My bed lifts from a hydraulic cylinder that works a scissor kind of set of steel arms. If you look at a few different dump trucks, you'll see what I'm talking about. It was fairly common awhile ago, but I don't think so anymore. With all those moving parts, you have to keep it greased, and you have to be careful not to twist when dumping a load. Sounds simple, but when filling an area, it's kind of hard not to get into weird positions. Eventually, the steel will bend and twist to the point of failure. That was a lot of fun. I had to remove all of it and take it to a welding/machine shop to fix it and make sure it was perfectly aligned.

If I ever buy another dump truck, it will not have any type of linkage to lift the bed. Just a hydraulic cylinder attached to the bed that does it all. This is how all the construction dump beds work.

The other issue is dirt sticking to the bed. If there is any moisture in the dirt, it will start to compact in the corners. Once this starts, it just gets bigger with every load. I found that I would have to stop after ten loads and clean out the bed with a shovel. This takes about an hour. I've welded on a new floor to the bottom of my bed to make it perfectly smooth, and that has helped, but not solved the problem. I painted the bed with a special paint that was supposed to stop dirt from sticking to it, and that worked for awhile, but then the dirt wore it away. It was expensive paint. I think $100 for a gallon that lasted a few days, so that's not something that I'm going to do again. For now, I don't need to move any dirt, so it's not a concern. I'll deal with it the next time I need to use it.
 
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I have a 95 c30. Its a k3500 dump with a few slight difference. Its gvw is 12k. 1 cord of wood isnt a problem. 2 yards of sand possibly. I usualy shoot for 2.5tons. I plow residential with it and use it like a pickup truck, HD runs and other such things.

A dump truck has more use for me than a dump trailer but costs more per year in insurance. This one is paid for and pays for its self in my few plow accounts every year...or else i would sell it. I like having a truck thats for work only.
 
/ Which dump truck #14  
I bought a F650 with a 360 big block gas engine and 4 speed manual transmission that can haul five yards without sideboards and six with boards. It's been great at moving dirt around my place, but it was never meant for constant off road usage, and as a result, I sanded my engine. Basically the factory stock air filter system is not good enough to keep out the constant dust created by going over the same dirt road over and over again. After rebuilding the engine, a friend gave me a much better air filter system that has an inner and outer filter like used on ag tractors. I mounted it to the side of the radiator and made it so it gets air from the grill as far forward as possible. The difference is night and day.

My bed lifts from a PTO off of my transmission. I have to be stopped. Then I put it into the PTO gear and rev the engine to power the hydrualic pump that lifts the bed. Higher the engine revs, the faster it lifts the bed. This all works fairly well once you get used to it.

My bed lifts from a hydraulic cylinder that works a scissor kind of set of steel arms. If you look at a few different dump trucks, you'll see what I'm talking about. It was fairly common awhile ago, but I don't think so anymore. With all those moving parts, you have to keep it greased, and you have to be careful not to twist when dumping a load. Sounds simple, but when filling an area, it's kind of hard not to get into weird positions. Eventually, the steel will bend and twist to the point of failure. That was a lot of fun. I had to remove all of it and take it to a welding/machine shop to fix it and make sure it was perfectly aligned.

If I ever buy another dump truck, it will not have any type of linkage to lift the bed. Just a hydraulic cylinder attached to the bed that does it all. This is how all the construction dump beds work.

The other issue is dirt sticking to the bed. If there is any moisture in the dirt, it will start to compact in the corners. Once this starts, it just gets bigger with every load. I found that I would have to stop after ten loads and clean out the bed with a shovel. This takes about an hour. I've welded on a new floor to the bottom of my bed to make it perfectly smooth, and that has helped, but not solved the problem. I painted the bed with a special paint that was supposed to stop dirt from sticking to it, and that worked for awhile, but then the dirt wore it away. It was expensive paint. I think $100 for a gallon that lasted a few days, so that's not something that I'm going to do again. For now, I don't need to move any dirt, so it's not a concern. I'll deal with it the next time I need to use it.
it sounds like you want a Stainless Steel bed liner, THAT would solve the problem.. maybe 1/8" thick sheets.. welded with Stainless Steel rods to the original bed.. or just blow the sand out with a leaf blower..
 
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I have the same type of linkage on my dump. Its got 151k on the clock and a newer bed floor. The linkage is original and dosnt have grease fittings. My bed dosnt get clogged with dirt because before i put the bed down i go forward a few feet then jab the brakes. This slams the tail gate agains the bed knocking all the dirt out. But im also not taking load after load.

It sounds like you bought the wrong truck for your application. They make site dump trucks for offroad use.

I paint the inside of my bed anualy before wintet and keep it tipped up so no puddles form. I think this helps. I have no rust scale and generaly alot of the paint is still there when im ready to paint it again.
 
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The good thing here in NH is with farm plates no cdl is required. In addition insurance is optional. I never plan on hauling the fill on the road. The only thing would be firewood. I was looking to use the f350 only on my property for moving sandy fill or stone. I have my own pits to pull from. I am more concerned with breaking the f350 with two or 3 yards at a time that i will move. It sounds like in your opinion it will not be up to the task. I will look at an f450 or higher I guess.

One ton's are very limited to stay legal, but with your farm tags and location you'll be fine imo. The 350 will take a load of wood just fine and if it's a little saggy, take $500 along with you to a spring shop for a few extra ply's added to the springs. In a similar situation while moving hundreds of yards of dirt, (all off road on my property) I regularly "freighted" my F 450 with as much as I could get on that old girl (literally falling off the side boards) and never hurt it.
 
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I considered the dump trailer idea. I think it would be very difficult navigating and dumping loads in the woods. The f350 class sounds the most appealing since the only thing being carried on the road would be a cord of wood. All other duties would be on my property. I am not worried about being scaled. I am more worried about breaking the truck.
 
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I think the automatic transmissions in those trucks suck. The price is pretty steep too.
 

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