Welding cost

   / Welding cost #21  
You wouldnt dream of asking your non self employed friends to take non paid time off from work to come help you with something. So why is it ok to ask a self employed freind to work for a reduced rate?
 
   / Welding cost #22  
As others, I see this from both angles. While I wouldnt ask for it, I would expect a friend to treat me right....whatever that means.

I think the whole issue here is....$350 sounds pretty steep and sounds like much higher than his normal rate. And I think THAT is what he is questioning. Wondering if his "friend" welder is not as good of a friend as he thought and is taking advantage of him.

Unless something else is going on here, for 160" of weld that everything is already cleaned and prepped on, I see NO MORE than 1 hour and $20 in consumables. Now granted, I dont know his overhead and how much his said business costs to run, but friend or no friend, $350 sounds pretty steep. I guess I am in the wrong business.


I take it as most of you boys are not retired and bored out of your mind as I' am! I don't have to do this for a living, so I don't mind helping friends and neighbors, my labor means nothing, I'm just glad when they pay for consumables. One of the first projects I did once my shop was built, and I got my bridge crane built, was mount a backhoe on one of the neighbor's tractor, I also built him a 24-inch bucket for it. Didn't charge him a dime. He did buy me a Drill Doctor.

I built this gooseneck adapter for a friend, didn't charge him a dime.

What are your thoughts on how much time it would take and consumables costs? A 15" backhoe bucket isnt too big. And 160" of weld.....you think no more than an hour already prepped and tacked? And all you had to do was lay 160" of bead?
 
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#23  
I was willing to pay a fair price, but how long does it take to lay down 160 in of weld.

The only work he did was weld 160 in. How long would it take any you to lay 160 in of weld? I don't think he used any special rod on the bucket.

I have seen a lot of small jobs go in and out for about $40 and about 20 min. That is about $120 an hour.


Some of you guys are hard line, and I hope you don't treat all your friends that way.

There is nothing wrong with saying would you mind paying for the consumables or the going rate for labor, and the estimate is $xxxx.

I have done many many free jobs, because I wanted to help some out with a difficult problem.

I have heard these words many times, can you help me. I have never said, can you pay.

Sometimes you have to lower the friend ship level on those that take advantage of you.

Someone mentioned me and a problem that I had with book labor and actual time. You still have to question , just what is fair, and it is not hard to do if you know a little something about the subject.
 
   / Welding cost #24  
I was willing to pay a fair price, but how long does it take to lay down 160 in of weld.

The only work he did was weld 160 in. How long would it take any you to lay 160 in of weld? I don't think he used any special rod on the bucket.

I have seen a lot of small jobs go in and out for about $40 and about 20 min. That is about $120 an hour.


Some of you guys are hard line, and I hope you don't treat all your friends that way.

There is nothing wrong with saying would you mind paying for the consumables or the going rate for labor, and the estimate is .


I have done many many free jobs, because I wanted to help some out with a difficult problem.

I have heard these words many times, can you help me. I have never said, can you pay.

Sometimes you have to lower the friend ship level on those that take advantage of you.

Someone mentioned me and a problem that I had with book labor and actual time. You still have to question , just what is fair, and it is not hard to do if you know a little something about the subject.

JJ, You just learned alot about this guy. Forgive but not forget..
 
   / Welding cost #25  
What are your thoughts on how much time it would take and consumables costs? A 15" backhoe bucket isnt too big. And 160" of weld.....you think no more than an hour already prepped and tacked? And all you had to do was lay 160" of bead?

I'm the worlds worst estimator, spent my whole life trying to make estimate / budget. Now a days I don't keep track of how long things take to build, I work until I get tired then go in the house.:D

But! That bucket laying on my welding table where I could roll it where ever I wanted, running .035, or .045 Mig all ready to go, I'd be surprised if I couldn't knock it out in 1/2 hour to 45 minutes tops.
 
   / Welding cost #26  
But! That bucket laying on my welding table where I could roll it where ever I wanted, running .035, or .045 Mig all ready to go, I'd be surprised if I couldn't knock it out in 1/2 hour to 45 minutes tops.

Thats what I was thinking:thumbsup:
 
   / Welding cost #27  
Life is seldom black and white- I see both sides of this. While I can appreciate anyone who is willing to do a friend a favor, which I have done my whole life, I also believe FIRMLY that it was very inappropriate to expect your friend to give you a break- he makes his living doing this, he pays for business licenses, taxes, overhead, power, etc.- it costs just as much to work for free as it does to charge a customer, and you are taking money out of his pocket when you expect a favor. Favors should be given, not expected. They also tell the character of a person.
Once, a co-worker asked me to come to his house and install carpet. He was a salesman, I was an installer, my father was the company owner. I chose not to give him a price- I told him to pay me what it was worth to him.
I drove 40+ miles, one way, after work, spent all evening (about 6 hours) installing the carpet, while he watched, then drove back home. I got home way after midnight, and had to be at work the next morning. He paid me $50.
Plain and simple- when given the option to pay me what he chose, he grossly took advantage of me. That was a real slam, but it really clued me in to his character.
I never expect favors from friends who are in business- I go willing to pay the regular price, and sometimes they give me a break. The break shows respect to me, paying regular price shows respect to them. That's how I feel about it.

I see it this way too. Of course he should be paid, and of course he used consumables, but methinks he asked too much. Now we did not see the bucket, and the job I will grant you that, and maybe it took a heck of a long time, I don't know, but on its face I would have though 150 bucks would have been fair for all. I think JJ learned something, (like don't go back) and maybe that is what the friend was trying to tell him? I have made trades with people all the time on services and time, but I always try to treat people fairly. More than once a friend would do some service for me and I would say how much do I owe you? and they would name a price x and I would say well how about x+Y amount. Because I value their friendship (I have so few:)) and because I do not want to take advantage of them I will often give them more than they ask for. The are pleasantly surprised, happy to have done the job, and eagerly awaiting the next one. Win Win situation for both of us. I get the job done still at a fair price, and they leave happy. The example of the carpet job above, and the $50 payment shows this person is either thoughtless or just plain greedy stupid or both. Now how is he going to get hodge to ever do anything for him again? And further more if I was the weldor and my friend brought the bucket in to be welded, and I KNEW it was going to take 4 hours and a lot of high dollar consumables, I would have the courtesy to tell JJ up front that it was going to be a bunch of money and lets think this through. And maybe let a hobbyist do it instead of my high dollar production shop? or suggest take it to a Vo-Vech? Just saying.. Again I see both sides , but I think this could have been handled better by the shop owner.

James K0UA
 
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#28  
JJ, You just learned alot about this guy. Forgive but not forget..

No, I really don't forgive a lot, and I never forget. Actually I am pushing 72, and eventually I may forget some things.

I could have purchased a bucket with shipping included for the total price of the kit plus the welding. He destroyed my plans, so no forgiveness.

$289 + $30 S/H +$325 = $644

I have never asked him to do any welding since.

Sure this was a while ago, but I was just wondering how the welders charge for welding. Book rate, standard labor rate, by the in, guess work, whatever comes to mind, etc
 
   / Welding cost #29  
No, I really don't forgive a lot, and I never forget. Actually I am pushing 72, and eventually I may forget some things.

I could have purchased a bucket with shipping included for the total price of the kit plus the welding. He destroyed my plans, so no forgiveness.

$289 + $30 S/H +$325 = $644

I have never asked him to do any welding since.

Sure this was a while ago, but I was just wondering how the welders charge for welding. Book rate, standard labor rate, by the in, guess work, whatever comes to mind, etc


I have seen $1 per inch quoted before.

James K0UA
 
   / Welding cost #30  
The construction company I worked for most of my life has an estimating division, and they have their numbers down pat! When I worked for them they had been in business over 100 years, and they had that T-shirt, "been there done that":laughing:. When I was a foreman for them, they were always on me to be honest with the crew's time cards, the estimators really went over the crew's time cards for how long things took to complete when bidding other work of that type. When I was a superintendent for them, we got our cost reports on Tuesdays. If you had a cost code going south you best make changes real fast! If that same cost code was in the toilet for about 3 weeks, one of the owners would be on your job site wanting answers! You best have your ducks in a row, or you were unemployed:eek:. In my opinion estimating material, and supplies is easy, labor is the big unknown.
 

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