Utility tractor?'s

[JerryG]

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Guys, no one certain person. This is a utility thread. I know and have no doubt that Kubota is #1 in sales of compacts, but this is a thread about utility tractors. I really don't think that Kubota is even in the top 5-6 in utilities. If you have some numbers from a reputable organization, please show them to me.

 

[slowzuki]

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There is a McCormick dealer that just opened a few hours from here, I assumed they were just rebadged Agco's. Anyone have any other info on them? Some of their smaller units on the website look to be Case/ International castings.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Take a look at the McCormick CX line of tractors. They have Perkins engines and come fully loaded. The NH, JD, & Kubota's all weigh about 2,000 LBS less on the same hp tractor than the same size McCormick. In our area the McCormick's sells from $1,500 to $3,000 less than the other premium brands. McCormick sold just over 2,000 tractors last year in the USA. That is exceptional for the 3rd year of sales presence in the USA. The USA is just about 20% of McCormick's world sales volume. )</font>

 

[HayDR]

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The actual industry designation of a utility tractor is greater than 40 HP and less than 100 HP. That is a bit confusing because what I believe JerryG considers a compacts, a smaller frame tractor, but with more than 40 HP is really a compact tractor. Are JD 4720 & Kubota 5030L's compacts? I would say yes and I think JerryG does too but the marketing folks consider these tractors utility tractors. Speaking about what the term utility means in East Tennessee most of the people understand it to mean a non-cab full size tractor with the PTO HP between 40-60. But in areas where there is more row crop farming these folks usually mean a non-cab full-size tractor from 60-100 PTO HP. Does this mean that cab tractors in the 60-100 are not utility tractors? NO the cab tractors usually come with all the bells and whistles and are usually referred to as Cab tractors not utility tractors. JerryG is correct that Kubota is just beginning to sell numbers of tractors in the 60-90 PTO HP range. The 60-90 HP sales figures are 40% less than the 40-60 HP tractors. So I think JerryG is saying where medium farming operations occur Kubota does not dominate like they do in compact sales. I'd say they are 5th or 6th in sales numbers. Kubota's numbers drop drastically as the HP goes up. I'm by no means saying Kubota does not make a good 60-100 HP tractor. Kubota is just a Johnny come lately to the larger HP tractors and have not earned a large market share there.

 

[HayDR]

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McCormick tractors are made in Old IH factory in England and a few models are made in France. ARGO is the parent company. NOT AGCO. ARGO owns Landini, Leverda Combines, Morra, Fella, Fort, etc. McCormick makes a world class tractor.

 

[slowzuki]

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Both excellent replies! This explains a lot of things.

It is true everyone has a different view of what ag tractors are. I would also agree Kubota isn't really a player in the larger ag market, topping out at the M-120, they aren't even out of haying size tractors for some people.

I'm really surprised the power under the sheet metal on the euro tractors, looked at some Landini's last week, looked physically the size of the neighbours 90 hp NH but it was a 160 hp monster. Once I stepped to the rear I could see the width of the radial tires on it and the size of the castings but footprint wise it could be used for haying and loader/feeding tasks.

Maybe they try to only use one tractor over in europe?

 

[cowboydoc]

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Mark,

Do you have any kind of breakdown by states?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

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Europe has very narrow roads so they have very compact equipment. Also, a lot of their work is pto work. Usually front and rear pto so the tractors need a lot of hp to work the equipment as they make their way thru fields. They do a lot of one pass tillage and have some very unique equipment compared to the states. This is also why you do not see many artics in Europe, they are too big.

 

[ZJ_HR]

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Yea Robert, you hit the center of target.
Not only narrow roads - small fields, compare to US is reason, too.
Another reason for big hp in small package is hauling - allmost all ag hauling is done by tractors and one or two trailors behind.

You don't need heavy tractor if you use dinamic loading - weight transfer from implement or trailor.

We never had tractor heavier than 2.5 tonnes, but it was enough to do all our tasks. Most important thing was hp for fast transportation on road from field to field, in 10-15km circle.
With new tractor, equipped with 40 kph gearbox (pitty, not a 50 kph /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif ) we can be faster than rain ... sometimes /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[BarryinMN]

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My Zetor Euro design has a ground speed PTO selector that is used for powering wagon wheels.

A few years back I took a trip along the Danube from Budaphest to a giant former USSR dairy farm being privatized. I asked our host why people built picture perfect 2 story sheds in the middle of each field? Turns out they were homesteads!

 

[WilliamBos]

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Hi,

Our MF dealer is Trinity Equipment sales located in Bradford Ontario. ( Which is approx 35 minutes north of Toronto, and I am located 15 ,imutes north of the dealer. )