Used Value vs Age

[blehmann]

Gas compression plants went down to a large degree because the compressors had been converted to electric motors. When the electricity goes down, so does the gas compression. In the old days the compressors were driven by natural gas fueled engines.

 

[OzarkChris]

Labor costs including benefits affects US product competitiveness much more than environmental regulations. This is evident even in manufacturing of products not affected by environmental regulations. I wear Whites boots for work. They are 100% US made and they cost $500/pair due to the hand labor involved and wages for skilled workers. I also own some Allen Edmonds dress shoes made in Wisconsin at $400/pair. A nice wool cruiser jacket made by Filson in Seattle is $500. None of the manufacturers have facilities that involve pollution regulations, but these products can’t compete with mass manufacturers in Asia or Mexico at much cheaper labor costs. Also, I visited a Ford production plant in Chihuahua Mexico three years ago. The people conducting the tour were proud to explain that this modern plant exceeded the environmental standards of some of their US plants.

First off, I really don't care about your $2500 wardrobe (my boots sure wouldn't be white after one day of work), but I digress.

The biggest issue I have with environmentalist (like you I'm guessing after your posts) is the lack of "environmental awareness" y'all have when it comes to these new fangled "green" energies. Several posts here asked questions that were not answered or were po-poo'd as something that shouldn't be asked.

Browse through a couple (#'s 130, 134, 202, 203, 241 & 243) that are relevant to your previous posts and then answer some of the questions that y'all won't or deflect on e.g. solar toxicity, bird chopping, nuclear etc. I am not a university lounge lizard but I do have a bit of knowledge when it comes to research and have seen way too much research being thrown around that when you really look at it, is flawed, is peer reviewed by known activist organizations, has "f" values that would have been laughed at and mocked by statistics professors when I was in school, etc.

 

[jyoutz]

First off, I really don't care about your $2500 wardrobe (my boots sure wouldn't be white after one day of work), but I digress.

The biggest issue I have with environmentalist (like you I'm guessing after your posts) is the lack of "environmental awareness" y'all have when it comes to these new fangled "green" energies. Several posts here asked questions that were not answered or were po-poo'd as something that shouldn't be asked.

Browse through a couple (#'s 130, 134, 202, 203, 241 & 243) that are relevant to your previous posts and then answer some of the questions that y'all won't or deflect on e.g. solar toxicity, bird chopping, nuclear etc. I am not a university lounge lizard but I do have a bit of knowledge when it comes to research and have seen way too much research being thrown around that when you really look at it, is flawed, is peer reviewed by known activist organizations, has "f" values that would have been laughed at and mocked by statistics professors when I was in school, etc.

I am a professional forester, so by definition I am a conservationist. I have stated my thoughts on this topic and have no desire to engage in a tit for tat discussion on this topic. Grind your axe elsewhere.

 

[jyoutz]

Gas compression plants went down to a large degree because the compressors had been converted to electric motors. When the electricity goes down, so does the gas compression. In the old days the compressors were driven by natural gas fueled engines.

Why doesn’t the power grid go down in other states when it’s cold outside? Texas didn’t winterize their systems, simple as that.

 

[blehmann]

Why doesn’t the power grid go down in other states when it’s cold outside? Texas didn’t winterize their systems, simple as that.

It isn't that simple. You are correct that the system wasn't winterized. You are leaving out the part about a higher than normal number of conventional power plants being off-line for repair, (how dumb is that?), natural gas going offline as a direct result of electric failures, and wind and solar going offline for several days. The main reason that power doesn't go off in other states is because most of them are tied in with a huge grid that should always have excess power to shuffle around. ERCOT didn't have that option. Maybe it is time to do away with ERCOT and spread the risk like the rest of the country.

 

[jyoutz]

Not grinding an axe, I'm glad that you still have a job, city, county after the spotted white owl fiasco - I know many who don't. But you didn't the questions. How do you justify the toxic garbage from the solar industries? How do you justify the mass killing of our national bird - the one if I "accidentally" kill one of have huge fines & jail. Etc etc

Wind farms are distributed throughout the western US. I have no clue about how many birds are killed. I do know that wind farms are a significant percentage of the western power grid and that isn’t going to change. Solar manufacturers in the US have to deal with toxic manufacturing waste just like all other industries in the US. Nothing different. Same clean air and water acts that all manufacturers must comply with. The spotted owl situation (Mexican and Northern) has been dealt with. We still have most of the forested acres to manage and the protected owl habitats really are a minor portion of the landscape. For example, in my area, 15% of pine/oak forest must be managed for Mexican Spotted owl habitat, leaving 85% of the acres that can be managed for other priorities. I’m stating the current situation without my personal preferences; it is what it is. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts.

 

[bvanek]

It’s time that we spent money improving our own country. Will there be some fraud and waste? Of course. That goes with any large expenditures. But our country is in sad need of infrastructure remodeling. This is especially evident when you travel to Europe and see how shabby US roads, airports, and other infrastructure is compared to other first world countries.

yes there will be abundant fraud and waste. There is plenty of historical evidence that fraud, waste, mismanagement, and political hacking are the norm. The evidence is presented in your assessment of our roads, airports, bridges, etc. as past political porking/hacking/corporate featherbedding has left us in dire straits on basic infrastructure. This will continue as long as accountability gets sidelined and political pandering to special interests persists.

Also I'm sure each State will have certain pet projects often allocated to to bail out prior mismanagement and incompetence. It's a safe bet that Blue states will veer towards woke/green new deal/white privilege stuff while their bridges and roads continue to be in disarray and the cost to fix them keeps rising year by neglected year. This will be federal money paid for by all American taxpayers and thus people in South Dakota will have to help pay for a fairyland high speed rail in California. A better use would be to invest in desalination plants to produce the water they are in short supply of.

Here's a good example of how we spend/waste money on infrastructure...check out acres of steel left to rust away because a democratic Congress has decided to toss taxpayers money aside for nothing more than ideological garbage of no border.
Yes there will be waste.....but I'd venture to guess that red states won't waste theirs....(but they won't get much because they don't holler and whine and luckily they are ran well enough that they don't need it)....you see what I'm saying here)
bottom line;Fix and repair the old before you pork in a bunch of "green new deal" new. I don't take issue with environmental projects, but since this will be /administered/prioritized by bureaucratic loonies I can't say that this money will be fully advocated to meaningful infrastructure.

 

[jyoutz]

yes there will be abundant fraud and waste. There is plenty of historical evidence that fraud, waste, mismanagement, and political hacking are the norm. The evidence is presented in your assessment of our roads, airports, bridges, etc. as past political porking/hacking/corporate featherbedding has left us in dire straits on basic infrastructure. This will continue as long as accountability gets sidelined and political pandering to special interests persists.

Also I'm sure each State will have certain pet projects often allocated to to bail out prior mismanagement and incompetence. It's a safe bet that Blue states will veer towards woke/green new deal/white privilege stuff while their bridges and roads continue to be in disarray and the cost to fix them keeps rising year by neglected year. This will be federal money paid for by all American taxpayers and thus people in South Dakota will have to help pay for a fairyland high speed rail in California. A better use would be to invest in desalination plants to produce the water they are in short supply of.

Here's a good example of how we spend/waste money on infrastructure...check out acres of steel left to rust away because a democratic Congress has decided to toss taxpayers money aside for nothing more than ideological garbage of no border.
Yes there will be waste.....but I'd venture to guess that red states won't waste theirs....(but they won't get much because they don't holler and whine and luckily they are ran well enough that they don't need it)....you see what I'm saying here)
bottom line;Fix and repair the old before you pork in a bunch of "green new deal" new. I don't take issue with environmental projects, but since this will be /administered/prioritized by bureaucratic loonies I can't say that this money will be fully advocated to meaningful infrastructure.

We in the Forest Service are getting billions to do forest restoration projects to reduce severe wildfires. Most will go to western and southern states because that is where the wildfires are most severe. It’s not a red/blue state issue; America has needs everywhere. Especially highways, bridges, ports and communications. If you want some actual real information about the border, PM me. I have lived my entire life in border states and my career is in land management. It’s sad how politicians have misrepresented the situation. And those hunks of steel have been rusting away for the past 20 years because politicians sold a ridiculous solution to an issue they are gutless to address with real solutions.