Trying to hire and they are all "Drawing"

[gerard]

They understand vote buying perfectly.

Exactly and there-in lies the problem. The only real job a politician has is to get re-elected. Another argument for REAL term limits and doing away with a lifetime political career.

 

[77transam]

OK, I'm gonna put on the fire suit and throw a wrench in the gears.

While the idea of making people work for their unemployment sounds like a good idea, there's a couple of things to consider before firing off a letter to your local congressman.:laughing:

1) Insurance. Specifically workman's comp. Last I checked, it's mandatory. And it ain't cheap. Who's gonna pay it? The Gov.? That's just another way of saying you and me. Let's say it's only $5 a week per worker to insure. Doesn't sound like a lot 'till you multiply it times 10 million or so. Then it's a lot...:confused2:

2) Liability. Let's say Roscoe's picking up trash on the side of the highway to earn his $220 a week check. A car blows a tire and veers off the highway, hits poor ole' Roscoe and breaks his back and both legs. Roscoe hires prominent attorney who specializes in WC claims and negligent employer lawsuits. Demands $25 million for pain and suffering, 25 million for unsafe working conditions, and $25 million for his cut. State decides to avoid trial and negative publicity and settles out of court for $10 million. Pretty soon every ambulance-chaser out there is jumping on the bandwagon and there's a lawsuit for every cut,scrape and twisted ankle out there. (Don't laugh, when someone sues McD's for millions over too-hot coffee, or slips on a wet floor and wins $5 million 'cuz there wasn't a sign.) Once again, who really pays for it? You got it, John Q. taxpayer.

3) Job availability/placement. Picking up trash and mowing grass and other physical labor jobs are fine if you're a strapping healthy young man or woman. But what if you're a 56 year-old man with a weak heart? Or some other physical condition which limits your physical exertion or range of motion?

4) Not allowing someone to vote because they're drawing unemployment would only bring every civil rights, minority, and political group out of the woodwork to protest and sue everybody in sight, further increasing the cost in legal battles. (Once again paid for by me and you.) And frankly, it ain't right from a constitutional POV. Every legal american has a right to vote and if you try to take that right away without just cause, i.e. "felony conviction", then I just couldn't agree with that. Just because someone gets laid-off and draws is not a justifiable reason to give up their rights as a legal citizen.

5) Someone has already said that employers are the ones who pay worker's unemployment. Shouldn't that employer have first dibs at the former employees "free labor"? He paid for it.

6) Discrimination, ****** harassment and EOE. I guarantee you that unless you have an equal division of ethnic and male/female workers in any given job, somebody's gonna sue. I can see the headlines now... "ACLU asks:Why are only hispanics and blacks working on the road cleanup and landscaping crews?" Why are the older whites sittin' in air-conditioned offices filing papers? "Single young mother of two files lawsuit against state for ****** harassment in the workplace!".( I don't know if any here are familiar with harassment suits, but if you tell a woman she looks nice in the workplace, that can be construed as harassment)

Now I know some of these examples may seem ridiculous or far-fetched, but there are 100's if not thousands of instances just like all of these in our newspapers everyday. And like another poster stated, when you let the gov. handle things, they usually spiral out of control in cost, red tape, and unnecessary legislation.

Now don't get me wrong, I actually agree with the concept of individuals earning their benefits, but having an idea and implementing it in a fair and cost-effective way are two totally different creatures.

The only way to tame this beast is to bring jobs back to this country. The public has to stand up as consumers against the outsourcing of jobs and importing of inferior,cheap products.

If the public refused to do business or purchase products from American companies that lay-off american workers to open call-centers and assembly plants in foreign nations, you would quickly see those businesses re-opening on american soil.

We also have a critical lack of motivation and pride in our workforce. People need to step up and do the right things when it comes to working a job and providing a quality product or service. Work ethics, Attendance, Punctuality, Attention to detail and quality seem to be sorely lacking for so many people today. I don't care if I'm working for $5 an hr. or $50 an hr. I'm going to do the job to the best of my abilities and leave my attitude at the door. I learned a LONG time ago that showing up (on time and sober) is 95% of success.

Uncle Sammie ain't gonna solve this. No politician's gonna save us. Only we as workers AND consumers can effectively restore our economy and ultimately our nation as a world leader in innovation and quality of life for it's citizens. The keys are still in our hands.:thumbsup:

 

[TRR]

There is a company in central Florida that has 600 openings at $10 per hour and can't fill the positions. Another company has interviewed and hired people, but they never show up for work. - - Gotta get rid of the incentive not to work. I spent some time with a group of folks to see what a family on welfare would have to make to cover the benefits and taxes. It came to about $40,000/year :mur:

 

[weldingisfun]

Anyone ever think that all these benefits, i.e., incentives to not work, is intentional? Think about it.

 

[Rob2010]

OK, I'm gonna put on the fire suit and throw a wrench in the gears.

While the idea of making people work for their unemployment sounds like a good idea, there's a couple of things to consider before firing off a letter to your local congressman.:laughing:

1) Insurance. Specifically workman's comp. Last I checked, it's mandatory. And it ain't cheap. Who's gonna pay it? The Gov.? That's just another way of saying you and me. Let's say it's only $5 a week per worker to insure. Doesn't sound like a lot 'till you multiply it times 10 million or so. Then it's a lot...:confused2:

2) Liability. Let's say Roscoe's picking up trash on the side of the highway to earn his $220 a week check. A car blows a tire and veers off the highway, hits poor ole' Roscoe and breaks his back and both legs. Roscoe hires prominent attorney who specializes in WC claims and negligent employer lawsuits. Demands $25 million for pain and suffering, 25 million for unsafe working conditions, and $25 million for his cut. State decides to avoid trial and negative publicity and settles out of court for $10 million. Pretty soon every ambulance-chaser out there is jumping on the bandwagon and there's a lawsuit for every cut,scrape and twisted ankle out there. (Don't laugh, when someone sues McD's for millions over too-hot coffee, or slips on a wet floor and wins $5 million 'cuz there wasn't a sign.) Once again, who really pays for it? You got it, John Q. taxpayer.

3) Job availability/placement. Picking up trash and mowing grass and other physical labor jobs are fine if you're a strapping healthy young man or woman. But what if you're a 56 year-old man with a weak heart? Or some other physical condition which limits your physical exertion or range of motion?

4) Not allowing someone to vote because they're drawing unemployment would only bring every civil rights, minority, and political group out of the woodwork to protest and sue everybody in sight, further increasing the cost in legal battles. (Once again paid for by me and you.) And frankly, it ain't right from a constitutional POV. Every legal american has a right to vote and if you try to take that right away without just cause, i.e. "felony conviction", then I just couldn't agree with that. Just because someone gets laid-off and draws is not a justifiable reason to give up their rights as a legal citizen.

5) Someone has already said that employers are the ones who pay worker's unemployment. Shouldn't that employer have first dibs at the former employees "free labor"? He paid for it.

6) Discrimination, ****** harassment and EOE. I guarantee you that unless you have an equal division of ethnic and male/female workers in any given job, somebody's gonna sue. I can see the headlines now... "ACLU asks:Why are only hispanics and blacks working on the road cleanup and landscaping crews?" Why are the older whites sittin' in air-conditioned offices filing papers? "Single young mother of two files lawsuit against state for ****** harassment in the workplace!".( I don't know if any here are familiar with harassment suits, but if you tell a woman she looks nice in the workplace, that can be construed as harassment)

Now I know some of these examples may seem ridiculous or far-fetched, but there are 100's if not thousands of instances just like all of these in our newspapers everyday. And like another poster stated, when you let the gov. handle things, they usually spiral out of control in cost, red tape, and unnecessary legislation.

Now don't get me wrong, I actually agree with the concept of individuals earning their benefits, but having an idea and implementing it in a fair and cost-effective way are two totally different creatures.

The only way to tame this beast is to bring jobs back to this country. The public has to stand up as consumers against the outsourcing of jobs and importing of inferior,cheap products.

If the public refused to do business or purchase products from American companies that lay-off american workers to open call-centers and assembly plants in foreign nations, you would quickly see those businesses re-opening on american soil.

We also have a critical lack of motivation and pride in our workforce. People need to step up and do the right things when it comes to working a job and providing a quality product or service. Work ethics, Attendance, Punctuality, Attention to detail and quality seem to be sorely lacking for so many people today. I don't care if I'm working for $5 an hr. or $50 an hr. I'm going to do the job to the best of my abilities and leave my attitude at the door. I learned a LONG time ago that showing up (on time and sober) is 95% of success.

Uncle Sammie ain't gonna solve this. No politician's gonna save us. Only we as workers AND consumers can effectively restore our economy and ultimately our nation as a world leader in innovation and quality of life for it's citizens. The keys are still in our hands.:thumbsup:

All good and valid points. Make them work anyway. The harder the job (regardless of age and ***) they have to work the more likely they will find a new job on their own time.

 

[riptides]

If the government is handing over checks, then the citizens must hand over service.

Now I can think of all types of service the citizen must do. Some service will even be an incentive to stop drawing checks, if you know what I mean.

The government should not have set the bars so high so that small business or any business views unemployment as competition.

 

[luscsmith]

I reached in my truck and pulled out two cans of dog food from a case I had just bought for my dog... I handed them to her and she got all upset and dropped both cans on the ground... I questioned her and she said her dog only eats people food and she only takes money!!!


In 1990 part of my job was to unload a full semi by hand every 6 to 8 weeks, no loading dock or fork lift. This was also the first time I had seen people standing by the interstate with signs with "will work for food" on them. One day I had a brilliant idea that I would pick up this person to let him help with the unloading and give him some money and buy him a nice meal. when I stopped and offered I was truly surprised with the rejection.
I have not offered that help again!

Scott

 

[blueriver]

As long as there are people and benifits ... someone will take advantage.

 

[brin]

Even if all we did was make it mandatory that anyone receiving unemployment benefits would have to show up every day and an employment center and sit there from 9AM to 5PM - I mean make them do something...boredom could also give someone the incentive to take a job but allowing them to sit at home and watch TV and who knows what else while on the Tax Payers dime does not cut it with me...

 

[blueriver]

Even if all we did was make it mandatory that anyone receiving unemployment benefits would have to show up every day and an employment center and sit there from 9AM to 5PM - I mean make them do something...boredom could also give someone the incentive to take a job but allowing them to sit at home and watch TV and who knows what else while on the Tax Payers dime does not cut it with me...

Good idea ... except the employment center would eventually get additional funding for T.V.'s , pool tables, video games, etc... etc... etc..