Tractors without DPF next year?

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Since Kubota has announced that many of their midsize engines will be available without a Particulate filter next year does this mean that the current 60 series models will use those new engines when they are available? Kubota Engine America - LATEST NEWS
Or will Kubota keep producing the models with the same engines as they are now? Looks like the v2403 engine used in the Grand L's will have a no DPF option.
 
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Interesting so it looks like they will still have a cat but no DPF.
One could only hope that other manufactures (3/4 and 1 ton pickups anyone?) are doing this as well.
 
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Since Kubota has announced that many of their midsize engines will be available without a Particulate filter next year does this mean that the current 60 series models will use those new engines when they are available? Kubota Engine America - LATEST NEWS
Or will Kubota keep producing the models with the same engines as they are now? Looks like the v2403 engine used in the Grand L's will have a no DPF option.

I wonder if Kubota will be using their own in house engine or one they purchased from Mahindra? Introducing our Tier IV "mCRD Technology" | Mahindra

Mahindra advises it newly designed engine;

Is a high pressure fuel injection engine greatly reducing visible engine smoke, multiple injection points for fuel efficiency with greener emissions including a reduction in NOx and Particulate Matter (PM), diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC) after treatment system that does not require regeneration, and high-efficiency positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) technology to capture and clean gases from the combustion chamber before releasing them into the environment. - See more at: Mahindra USA Introduces Tier IV Compliant Tractor - Farm Equipment

Not quite clear if the unit has a catalytic converter.
 
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Far as I know only us (I work for Case and Case IH ) have the patent on SCR only technology. SCR is the only thing out right now (I thought) that was DPF free. We on our larger tractors and construction equipment just use DEF instead of a DPF. That allows us to operate without regening.
 
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I wonder if this has something to do with the issues some people are having in extremely cold temperatures, with the new engines.
 
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My guess is it will be some time before you start seeing those engines used in tractors. Right now they are having to deal with Tier 4 final in 2015 for 75+ HP. These changes seem to suck up a lot of engineering resources.
 
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Agco (Massey/Sisu), Cummins, John Deere and Daedong (Bobcat) also have engines out now without the DPF. And either Cummins or Jd has one with no egr, but I can't remember which one.
 
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Sisu, an AGCO company with the diesels used in many of AGCO brands (Massey, Challenger for 2) started using DEF for Tier 3, primarily for the fuel economy advantage. By using DEF and Diesel Oxygen Catalyst, they can run hotter combustion temperatures which results in high NOX, but they take care of that with the DOC and urea in the DEF to convert the NOX. They can apparently run hot enough to burn off the particulates but Deere says it can't be done without sacrificing something so you find the big JD diesels having both the DPF and using DEF. Some say they can get by with super high injection pressures and precise controls. Kubota's newly announced engines all add ATAACs to engines that didn't previously use them and with them precisely measured and controlled air inlet temp - inlet into the cylinders. That is pretty basic emissions technology but comes with complexity and cost. So when an engine company announces they are introducing a line of engines with a different configuration to meet customer demand, you need to know what that demand is. Did they screw up in the first place and now have to backpedal (like Navistar - now switching to DEF because they could not reliably meet emissions with their announced low cost simplified design). Are the new engines higher installed cost, the reason Kubota didn't use them on their tractors? The challenging solutions are in the larger diesels (not super large diesels - medium and large ag tractor size). The smaller diesels are still allowed to be very dirty because they don't get a lot of hours and their total pollution is insignificant. But new changes may still be in order gown the line. Health studies are now focusing on what particle size is the primary cancer causer and new European standards specify limits on different particle sizes. In the US the EPA has not yet said anything about following the European standards but... Europe may have more concern because of the higher traffic density and the high percentage of diesel cars in much of Europe.
 
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I'm just happy to see there is some hope yet to improve and that they have not all just sat back and became complacent with the current solutions.
 
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The thing that would worry me about buying one of the current tractors is whether it will be an orphan soon.

I can see 15 years down the road not being able to find certain parts for a DPF system that was only made for a year or two before the switch.
 
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The thing that would worry me about buying one of the current tractors is whether it will be an orphan soon.

I can see 15 years down the road not being able to find certain parts for a DPF system that was only made for a year or two before the switch.

Those systems are either Denso or Bosh, its not like your reliant on just a few thousand units in the field from Kubota.
 
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Those systems are either Denso or Bosh, its not like your reliant on just a few thousand units in the field from Kubota.


Disagreed,

I see these systems on VW, Audi and BMW. They won't be supported any longer than 10 years and if they are supported the cost to consumer will be so high most likely the consumer will trade out of the tractor or tear the overpriced crap off and try to bypass it.

Audi A3 Quattro today for new catalyst. 83,000 miles. The dealer denied warranty because it was just over by 3 K miles and over 8 years.

Cost to consumer= $2,450 for new CAT and 4 sensors plus labor. Planned obsolescence stinks for the consumer folks just wait till it's your turn. I see it every day.

Regards, Fred
 
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those dang california lab rats die so easy. injectors doing multiple events during one cycle is nothing new, isuzu has had them around for years in the original durimax. cat converter and egr's on diesels go back to at least 97 on a "s" engine in a 6.5 diesel. somone hit the nail on the head this is going to translate to much higher parts cost for us little guys, when you start looking at sensor's, computer controlled fuel systems, high pressure fuel pumps, 5 micron or smaller fuel filters, and high tech injectors price is going to go through the roof. i know Uncle Sam puts down the law but you have to wonder if they are not pushed by outside influences to do so in order to increse the price of anything with a motor, after all higher purchase price of anyting equals more tax $$$$.
 

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