Tractor backhoe - homemade

   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,622  
Looking good! Needed a little fabrication pick-me-up this morning! The post outriggers and side shift options are rare over here and sought by foundation repair companies. Excellent work and inspiring craftsmanship.
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,625  
Looks real good! How do you like the extra stick on there so far?
 
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#1,626  
Extra stick is the best decision ever. I get great reach with full lifting power. Much better then telescope. In a few days we will test it with jaw bucket, I'll make a video and post it
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,629  
That's one impressive bucket. I sure like the way it separates the clamping function from the bucket rotation. Not being able to separate those two motions is the downside of a traditional BH thumb. Your's seems like a better way to do it. I hope you are patenting some of these designs.

Also noticed that the Aux. Hyd. outputs changed sides. And that reminds me that I wanted to ask what your preference was for size and quick connector type. On the JD310 those aux connectors are dash 12 size - which is 5/8" hose and fitting flow diameter. Yours look like a similar size.
rScotty
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,630  
That is awesome work! I’m not sure what is patentable though. VAR and clamp buckets already exist and are being sold by other companies.
 
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#1,631  
Yes rScotty, I had to switch sides because my quick hitch pin goes in right to left so those cylinder hose T fittings would be directly in front of the pin.
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,633  
For the VAR you have a foot pedal to switch between the cylinders or an automatic setup?
 
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#1,634  
Joystick with buttons, and a em valve at cylinder no 1 and 4
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,635  
That is awesome work! I’m not sure what is patentable though. VAR and clamp buckets already exist and are being sold by other companies.
I've done a number of patents. There's a popular idea that patents only apply to major earth-shaking inventions. Those are wonderful, but that is not the only way it works.

A patent exists to reward a person for publishing an improvement to the old way of doing things. It can be as simple as a lever and pivot..or a new way to polarize glass. But to earn a patent it has to not only be an improvement, it also has to be new and unique i.e. not already in common use. You can't patent a twist-top jar lid just because it never has been patented; it is already in common use.

So the trick is to find something unique about a new design...some unique change you've made to make it better. Just looking at Freaky's work this last decade, it wouldn't surprise me if some of it qualifies. I wouldn't know just what, but he would. Then that change is patentable.

Bottom line is a patent doesn't have to apply to the whole device, any improvement will do.

rScotty
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,636  
I've done a number of patents. There's a popular idea that patents only apply to major earth-shaking inventions. Those are wonderful, but that is not the only way it works.

A patent exists to reward a person for publishing an improvement to the old way of doing things. It can be as simple as a lever and pivot..or a new way to polarize glass. But to earn a patent it has to not only be an improvement, it also has to be new and unique i.e. not already in common use. You can't patent a twist-top jar lid just because it never has been patented; it is already in common use.

So the trick is to find something unique about a new design...some unique change you've made to make it better. Just looking at Freaky's work this last decade, it wouldn't surprise me if some of it qualifies. I wouldn't know just what, but he would. Then that change is patentable.

Bottom line is a patent doesn't have to apply to the whole device, any improvement will do.

rScotty
OK.

From my courses the most important thing about a patent is having the lawyers to aggressively litigate against anyone coming close to violating it.
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,637  
Joystick with buttons, and a em valve at cylinder no 1 and 4
Does your backhoe run off a single gear pump? The video shows very smooth operation, even with the outriggers up. Nice.

What is an "em" valve?
 
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Does your backhoe run off a single gear pump? The video shows very smooth operation, even with the outriggers up. Nice.

What is an "em" valve?
Hydraulic system is run by 2 hydraulic gear pumps, each with 50 cc/rev and 2 hydraulic valves with 80 liters/minute max flow. Controls are logically divided to achieve maximum productivity, so my left joystick has commands: boom rotation, boom lift/lower and one switch to extend 2nd boom. My right control commands: stick extend/retract, bucket, and switch diverts bucket open/close. EM or electromagnetic flow diverter valve 6/2; 2 lines in, 4 out, switchable with a press of a button on the joystick

Btw, video shows boom reach and movement at half throttle, machine can move about 3 times faster when working when you get used to commands
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,639  
OK.

From my courses the most important thing about a patent is having the lawyers to aggressively litigate against anyone coming close to violating it.
That is certainly a popular modern way to think about the value of a patent - although rather self-serving.
The "patent for profit" motive is a legal and financial interpretation. There is opportunity - but no requirement - for profit in a patent.

Another way would be to consider that a patent provides a convenient standard format for publishing beneficial ideas.

The original idea behind a patent seems to me to be an attempt to blend educational & profit motives.

rScotty
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,640  
I've done a number of patents.
Did you invent them, or did you file them ?

My development at a previous employer was patented. The patent attorney asked to supply a description, to which he only added periods and commas: I literally wrote the patent. He charged 7000 Euro. AFAIK filing it at the national patent office sets you back only 1000 to 1200 Euro, which is a more realistic fee if it has to come from private savings, instead of from a couple of million in business turnover.

I am now working on a design which will be tested at my mates farm this autumn and spring in secrecy. How does filing a patent work ? That patent attorneys best quality was protecting his own job, the last time i dealt with one, so i dont think they are going to teach this ape how to climb...
 

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