Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

[metalbender]

The included video says 800 liters of water to extinguish. Ha, try 8000 gallons. When there's no hydrants that means tanker trucks from somewhere. In California right now you'd probably hear, let it burn, we're short of water and power. Not going to waste precious water on some rich guy's car.

 

[Number15]

Well it depends on what you are comparing "snapped me into my seat" to. Tires only have a certain amount of grip, they don't know if they are mounted on a Tesla or a Corvette. So yes, pressing down on the variable resister that used to be the throttle and asking the electric motor to get going is a lot different then your average Toyota.

But compairning it to the performance of a newer Corvette or any of the newer pony cars, there is no difference.

But there is a difference. Electric has torque available almost instantly, they accelerate much faster than ICE. If I wanted a car that would win stoplight drags I would pick electric. However I will keep my ICE, manual shift sports cars until I can no longer drive. But electric will and can beat ICE in acceleration if designed for it. How Do Electric Vehicles Produce Instant Torque?

 

[Jstpssng]

I don’t think the electric grids would be able to handle a massive increase in EVs. They talk about blackouts and brown outs in different areas now. Imagine if we all plugged in our WVs at the same time

We've already been given the answer to that... buy a generator.

Jstpssng said:
I have two freezers full of food. That's ample reason to worry about the grid.

Get a generator then. The electric companies will love to sell charging power for ev they'll find the grid problems and fix them to make those dollars. I'm not going to spend one minute worrying about the grid or evs.

 

[ohiodon]

With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

Yes I have $100.00 down on a Silverado EV. 400 miles on a full charge. Also quick charging capablites. I also have solar on the Farm. 11 year pay back. Life cycle of 25 years. No Batteries I'm on net metering. During the day my meter runs backwards, at night it runs forward. I send more juice to the Grid then I use. In November 2021 (short days and cloudy) I did not received an electric bill. When the EV arrives I'll add an additional array of collators. As far as tractors no EV. Companies are experimenting with Hydrogen. Early positive results for Hydrogen.
The bottom line on why I'm doing it? To save the planet for the Kids and Grandkid.

 

[Pixguy]

 

[nickfank]

I'm now on year three of owning an EV, and liked it enough to buy a second one last year. (Simple answer to the original question... rant follows, so stop here if all you wanted was the answer.)

No, I'm not rich. Two used vehicles with low mileage, total cost for both was about $40k. You don't have to spring for a Tesla. I've got a Chevy and a Kia. When I bought them, the payback period was just over 4 years. With current fuel prices I'm sure it's better. (By payback period, I mean the time at which the savings in fuel and maintenance exceeds the cost of the car, so they become "free".) The warranties on these EVs are 100K miles/10 years, so they'll still be running after that time.

I'm also on year three of a 16kW solar array on the barn that powers our house & these cars. *with* the tax break, the payback period on it is about 9 years. Without the tax break, it would be 12 years. The warranty on the equipment is 30 years, so that's 18 years of "free" power. Again, I don't have to be rich to do this, because with a payback and ROI like that, banks are lining up to provide loans for the full cost. You can pay them back with the money you save and still come out ahead. (I had three offers.)

I'm not too concerned about the grid handling EVs. It's got the capacity to support people & businesses during the day. EVs charge at night. It will just mean that capacity doesn't go to waste during the night. (My two cars don't depend on the grid, but I understand that not everybody has a barn roof.)

So... you don't have to be a wild-eyed environmental freak to make this decision. You just have to be able to do math and make decisions that benefit you financially. (I didn't even notice fuel costs had gone up until I had to buy diesel for the tractor.)

As it happens, I *do* believe that science works and climate change is real. Anyone who actually lives on the land knows it is getting warmer. Anyone who has ever parked a car in the sun knows the greenhouse effect works. It takes a little more knowledge to understand why CO2 and methane function in the same way as glass regarding wavelength reflection, but anyone who can rebuild a tractor engine is capable of understanding it *if* they want to.

After almost 60 years, I've come to understand that science & math don't care about my politics, so I might as well make good decisions and get on with life. If I'm concerned about "elites" cheating me, I'd look first at wealthy oil executives who have a lot to lose rather than scientists who make the same amount of money no matter what answer they give us.

 

[nickfank]

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That would be a compelling argument if you didn't mind living in the climate we had millions of years ago... Acting like we cruised through the climate swings of the last 500 million years when in fact humans have only existed for about 1/10 of a million year is silly.

 

[manzer7]

With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

No ! I think that in a few years you will see problems with electric vehicles - whereas - when the time comes to charging, you will start encountering brownouts when everyone gets home from work and plug in their vehicles. Soon they will start applying charges to electricity use to help pay for road repairs and the like. It is just a matter of time before everyone wakes up and finds out that paying for gas by the gallon was what was paying for fixing roads, bridges, etc. Then electric vehicles will have to fund their use of roads as everyone else has been doing for years and years.

Its a no-brainer !!! My 1946 Willys Jeep CJ-2A will stay gas-powered ! It can run on fuel oil, diesel, kerosene, etc.......

 

[Pixguy]

That would be a compelling argument if you didn't mind living in the climate we had millions of years ago... Acting like we cruised through the climate swings of the last 500 million years when in fact humans have only existed for about 1/10 of a million year is silly.

Are you sure man wasn't around those millions of years? Who could have possibly caused all those spikes if not man? Certainly not earth's normal cycles.

 

[Richard001]

. The EV has so few parts and so little to go wrong that it's just a matter of time and a few more tech advances. Their reliability and performance improvements over fossil fuel engines will demand respect. There is no gamble with EVs. They're a sure bet. American car manufacturers have already committed to that.

Sorry to bust your balloon, but there are thousands of "parts" in you EV. Computers, energy management systems and other controls all require parts. Not moving parts, but parts that can fail just as well as a moving part.

I have worked as an engineer for over 30 years designing electronic control systems. Ever electrical part and every electrical control board has a what is called, a bathtub curve. The failure rate starts out high, then drops down as the componts age, than after a time, the components reach the end of their life, the failure rate rises again.

So yeah, you don't have to replace pistons on your EV, but replacing the circuit boards are in your future.

Richard

 

[thorn]

The one thing that worries me about EVs are the batteries, they can catch fire. This bus went up in flames fast.

 

[PILOON]

After having lived a 7 day power outage I don't think an EV is 4 me.
Maybe a hybrid.
Just shopping gas for my generator would have been a problem.

 

[txdon]

Musk seeks to cut 10% of Tesla's workforce. Has Tesla hit its peak demand with orders and new orders are dwindling? That sure was quick, predicted, but quick.

 

[barts]

There have been several studies done already that conclude that bottom line is: fosil fuels are much less damaging to the environment, way more efficient, and way cheaper. But that is not getting any attention because it is more politically correct to just keep throwing tax dollars at it & keep those in charge rolling in $$$, all this EV and global warming suff is nothing but a bunch of hipe by a small group of wealthy elites trying to get wealthier at the expence of the common man and the planet.

It's all a secret plot, the rising temperatures are your imagination, and the scientists are part of a plot involving millions but no one has fessed up, and it's likely the lizard people are involved.

Please folks. You can believe the scientists, or you can believe the disinformation on youtube and 4chan. So, some data points not promulgated by our reptilian overlords:

• Climate change is real. Average temperatures are rising. All indications are that it's caused by increasing atmospheric levels of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, as predicted by John Tyndall in 1862. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/why-we-know-about-the-greenhouse-gas-effect/
• If we want to forestall catastrophic effects on our environment, we're going to need to substantially reduce our collective carbon footprint. If we don't, Earth's temperatures will increase and areas currently used for food production may become unsuitable, at least for the crops currently grown there.
• The equatorial latitudes will become too hot in places to permit human life w/o air conditioning. It is anticipated that this will happen in areas like Bangladesh, the Middle East, and parts of Africa. https://whyy.org/articles/un-ipcc-climate-change-report-uninhabitable-planet-code-red/

Remember: the companies sponsoring climate denial are making billions selling oil and coal; follow the money. Just like the tobacco companies tried to discredit the research on the hazards of smoking and chewing tobacco, and the asbestos producers kept quiet about the hazards of asbestos, and Dupont tried to discredit the research on the ozone hole that led directly to the phase-out of R12 and other ozone-depleting chemicals, the fossil fuel industry is trying to slow the phase out of such fuels.

- Bart

 

[ultrarunner]

EV trucks have plenty of room for the 5000W Honda...

 

[Jchonline]

Did you still that idea from my post?

Of course not, but you have no idea what an inverter is…so I was just clarifying it for you. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about regarding solar system design or function. Maybe just stop posting?

 

[robpm]

That would be a compelling argument if you didn't mind living in the climate we had millions of years ago... Acting like we cruised through the climate swings of the last 500 million years when in fact humans have only existed for about 1/10 of a million year is silly.

I am still waiting on the history to prove that our earth is 500k years old never mind 500 million years! We can't prove in any way and especially in a scientific way that humans have existed 1/10th of a million years! Again no scientific proof what so ever.

 

[bvanek]

As it happens, I *do* believe that science works and climate change is real. Anyone who actually lives on the land knows it is getting warmer. Anyone who has ever parked a car in the sun knows the greenhouse effect works. It takes a little more knowledge to understand why CO2 and methane function in the same way as glass regarding wavelength reflection, but anyone who can rebuild a tractor engine is capable of understanding it *if* they want to.

here is the math (if you believe in science)?

The main gases in the earth's atmosphere are nitrogen (78%), oxygen (21%), and argon (0.93%). This leaves about 0.07 % of the atmosphere for all other gases which are mostly greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gases are therefore trace gases. Of the trace gases, about 95 % is water vapor. This varies a bit because of cloud cover and can also be reflective as opposed to holding in heat. This leaves about 5-10 % of greenhouse gases for CO2. Of this CO2 % about 5-6 % is anthropogenic i.e., So human caused CO2 is a trace of a trace gas occupying about 0.003-0.005 % of the atmosphere.

The Science also says that C02 levels increase with a warmer planet not the other way around (C02 causes global warming.)

 

[TKBlanc]

With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

I have one, and our other is a PHEV. I also still have an old F150 I use almost never. EVs are terrible for towing. Otherwise, they're fantastic. Anyone that has two cars... One should be an EV. If you can live with 200 miles in a day, you can charge entirely at home.

Gas stations aren't going to be hard to find in 6-8 years. Maybe in 20 years. Pumps will decrease in number, but they'll still be there. They'll just add EV chargers.

 

[Rockbadchild]

There is so many problem ahead of us in order to switch to electric vehicles even before getting to the grid problem and that’s not to say that it’s a small problem by any means, finding the resources and extracting these resources will be the first challenge and that’s a elephant on its own the production need to double to simply provide all Washington state with electric vehicles never mind the rest of the US or the world. What do you think these ressource will be mined with ??? fairy dust ? …

I recently read a article that put things in perspective, they calculated the amount of energy it take to extract and processed enough lithium for one car and converted this energy to what the oil quantity to match this energy and they kept breaking it down in barrel of oil equivalent for everything it took and it when down the list it was mind boggling. Unfortunately can’t find the article at this time but it was very interesting it said that in order for the EV to replace the all civilians vehicles today production energy equivalent need to increase by 100 fold and the oil relative energy at the same relative time (meaning the energy used 20 years after the first combustion car was invented) its relative energy consumption today only increased by 10 fold from then ….

I agree that a counter argument can be made with the last statement but this is only to put things in perspective… i will try to find this article …

I have nothing against electric vehicles I have something against taxing gas until we can afford it or simply getting force to buy electric vehicles before fixing all the kinks … like in 25 years 90% of our hydro dam will be over 90 years old when they where built to last 100 year with that being said remember that 25% of the USA electricity comes from Canada and 60% of Canada electricity comes from hydropower …

Anyways at the moment i rather buy a second hand car at $3000 or so that makes 30+ miles a gallon. For the price of a EV vehicle and the price of hydro in my province (the highest of all canada) I can buy a lot of gas.