Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

[metalbender]

The included video says 800 liters of water to extinguish. Ha, try 8000 gallons. When there's no hydrants that means tanker trucks from somewhere. In California right now you'd probably hear, let it burn, we're short of water and power. Not going to waste precious water on some rich guy's car.

 

[Number15]

Well it depends on what you are comparing "snapped me into my seat" to. Tires only have a certain amount of grip, they don't know if they are mounted on a Tesla or a Corvette. So yes, pressing down on the variable resister that used to be the throttle and asking the electric motor to get going is a lot different then your average Toyota.

But compairning it to the performance of a newer Corvette or any of the newer pony cars, there is no difference.

But there is a difference. Electric has torque available almost instantly, they accelerate much faster than ICE. If I wanted a car that would win stoplight drags I would pick electric. However I will keep my ICE, manual shift sports cars until I can no longer drive. But electric will and can beat ICE in acceleration if designed for it. How Do Electric Vehicles Produce Instant Torque?

 

[Jstpssng]

I don’t think the electric grids would be able to handle a massive increase in EVs. They talk about blackouts and brown outs in different areas now. Imagine if we all plugged in our WVs at the same time

We've already been given the answer to that... buy a generator.

Jstpssng said:
I have two freezers full of food. That's ample reason to worry about the grid.

Get a generator then. The electric companies will love to sell charging power for ev they'll find the grid problems and fix them to make those dollars. I'm not going to spend one minute worrying about the grid or evs.

 

[ohiodon]

With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

Yes I have $100.00 down on a Silverado EV. 400 miles on a full charge. Also quick charging capablites. I also have solar on the Farm. 11 year pay back. Life cycle of 25 years. No Batteries I'm on net metering. During the day my meter runs backwards, at night it runs forward. I send more juice to the Grid then I use. In November 2021 (short days and cloudy) I did not received an electric bill. When the EV arrives I'll add an additional array of collators. As far as tractors no EV. Companies are experimenting with Hydrogen. Early positive results for Hydrogen.
The bottom line on why I'm doing it? To save the planet for the Kids and Grandkid.

 

[Pixguy]

 

[nickfank]

I'm now on year three of owning an EV, and liked it enough to buy a second one last year. (Simple answer to the original question... rant follows, so stop here if all you wanted was the answer.)

No, I'm not rich. Two used vehicles with low mileage, total cost for both was about $40k. You don't have to spring for a Tesla. I've got a Chevy and a Kia. When I bought them, the payback period was just over 4 years. With current fuel prices I'm sure it's better. (By payback period, I mean the time at which the savings in fuel and maintenance exceeds the cost of the car, so they become "free".) The warranties on these EVs are 100K miles/10 years, so they'll still be running after that time.

I'm also on year three of a 16kW solar array on the barn that powers our house & these cars. *with* the tax break, the payback period on it is about 9 years. Without the tax break, it would be 12 years. The warranty on the equipment is 30 years, so that's 18 years of "free" power. Again, I don't have to be rich to do this, because with a payback and ROI like that, banks are lining up to provide loans for the full cost. You can pay them back with the money you save and still come out ahead. (I had three offers.)

I'm not too concerned about the grid handling EVs. It's got the capacity to support people & businesses during the day. EVs charge at night. It will just mean that capacity doesn't go to waste during the night. (My two cars don't depend on the grid, but I understand that not everybody has a barn roof.)

So... you don't have to be a wild-eyed environmental freak to make this decision. You just have to be able to do math and make decisions that benefit you financially. (I didn't even notice fuel costs had gone up until I had to buy diesel for the tractor.)

As it happens, I *do* believe that science works and climate change is real. Anyone who actually lives on the land knows it is getting warmer. Anyone who has ever parked a car in the sun knows the greenhouse effect works. It takes a little more knowledge to understand why CO2 and methane function in the same way as glass regarding wavelength reflection, but anyone who can rebuild a tractor engine is capable of understanding it *if* they want to.

After almost 60 years, I've come to understand that science & math don't care about my politics, so I might as well make good decisions and get on with life. If I'm concerned about "elites" cheating me, I'd look first at wealthy oil executives who have a lot to lose rather than scientists who make the same amount of money no matter what answer they give us.

 

[nickfank]

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That would be a compelling argument if you didn't mind living in the climate we had millions of years ago... Acting like we cruised through the climate swings of the last 500 million years when in fact humans have only existed for about 1/10 of a million year is silly.

 

[manzer7]

With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

No ! I think that in a few years you will see problems with electric vehicles - whereas - when the time comes to charging, you will start encountering brownouts when everyone gets home from work and plug in their vehicles. Soon they will start applying charges to electricity use to help pay for road repairs and the like. It is just a matter of time before everyone wakes up and finds out that paying for gas by the gallon was what was paying for fixing roads, bridges, etc. Then electric vehicles will have to fund their use of roads as everyone else has been doing for years and years.

Its a no-brainer !!! My 1946 Willys Jeep CJ-2A will stay gas-powered ! It can run on fuel oil, diesel, kerosene, etc.......

 

[Pixguy]

That would be a compelling argument if you didn't mind living in the climate we had millions of years ago... Acting like we cruised through the climate swings of the last 500 million years when in fact humans have only existed for about 1/10 of a million year is silly.

Are you sure man wasn't around those millions of years? Who could have possibly caused all those spikes if not man? Certainly not earth's normal cycles.

 

[Richard001]

. The EV has so few parts and so little to go wrong that it's just a matter of time and a few more tech advances. Their reliability and performance improvements over fossil fuel engines will demand respect. There is no gamble with EVs. They're a sure bet. American car manufacturers have already committed to that.

Sorry to bust your balloon, but there are thousands of "parts" in you EV. Computers, energy management systems and other controls all require parts. Not moving parts, but parts that can fail just as well as a moving part.

I have worked as an engineer for over 30 years designing electronic control systems. Ever electrical part and every electrical control board has a what is called, a bathtub curve. The failure rate starts out high, then drops down as the componts age, than after a time, the components reach the end of their life, the failure rate rises again.

So yeah, you don't have to replace pistons on your EV, but replacing the circuit boards are in your future.

Richard