Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

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Absolutely correct. The federal government EV push is about power and control. The anti-carbon, global warming hoax is simply a way to force you to do what they want. Just say no. And if you don't believe it, please do some reading of the climate disaster predictions dating back to the 1960s.

I don't think that's the motivator. The EV hoax is about marketing and the "connected" making a killing. The "new shiny thing" is about legislators pitching what the lobbiest want them to pitch and giving them perks. 50% of them are millionaires while 1% of the population are. A bit skewed in the scheme of things no?
So shut down the use of oil by increasing the price and force us gullible idiots into vehicles that are only a "fad".

How can one reconcile the use of electric cars when we have brown outs with fans and air conditioners? How can we think we are saving any energy when the production of batteries use so much energy to make? And just what is going to make all this energy to charge ev's? Natural gas? Coal? Nuclear? Hydrogen fusion? These plants are going to be more and blowing their stacks off.
What will be the new slogan replacing: "see the USA in your Chevrolet"? Possibly "see your next town over but don't go far in your electric car".
Nothing has a "free" price tag unless its used toilet paper.
We are being "duped" once again.

 

[robpm]

I am not on board with buying an EV in fact I just recently bought a new F150 with a 3.5L Ecoboost. I love the truck. I don't like the fact that gasoline has gone to over ~$4.70/gal but our present hands are tied. Over 1.5 years ago we were energy independent as a nation and now we are back into energy dependence. And our president says that we need to pay this expense because it is the cost to go green! The people in the World Economic Forum believe the same. Just look up their last meeting a week ago.

I am glad for those who have posted about their EV cars and how their experience has been really good. I think I counted only one who posted negatively about their experience. They have made the point that they have saved a lot of money and of course who would not want to save money.

There have been many who have posted about the grid and their fear over the grid not being able to handle the load if we all just drove EV's for everything we do. I think they probably have a valid point.

Then there are those who have made note of the tax incentives that are given to those who go the EV route and use the solar panels. And of course then their are those who have made the point once we all get on board with EV's and stop the use of fossil fuels then those incentives will be long gone and the taxes will rise on the use of EV's etc. There is nothing true about a free lunch. Those tax incentives have to come from somewhere because as one person posted, the government does not make money, it gets its money from us. Of course it can print more paper but that only drops its value. Enough said.

I have no doubt as many have said that the battery replacement on these EV's is going to be costly and is the user going to need to pay for disposal. And along this line others talked about the cost to produce these batteries. I think one has his head in the sand if you do not think about those things.

The early adopters of EV have had a good experience thus far. Will that experience continue as more and more go down that path? I don't know. Electric motors are powerful and have a lot of torque as we all know. I will just add that my 3.5L Ecoboost does too! These EV's are relatively maintenance free. You can't beat that. But as another poster said boards will fail, electric motors will fail etc.... So there will be costs that come. There is no free lunch.

It is quite a diverse group here which is good and I am thankful that we can post our views which proves that we still have some freedoms. We will see how long they last.

This has been a pretty well attended thread with a lot of posts. I know, I have read through all of them. So it is a hot topic. The OP should be pretty happy regarding how his original post has drawn out so many posters!

I am not a climate change guy. There are too many scientists on the other side of the debate that prove otherwise by again, real science. We all should be reading both sides. I also am not an evolutionist either so that means I do not believe in the billions of years theory either. It takes more faith to believe in those than to believe in a creator, in fact the later has more scientific proof. Our present government and bureaucrats say they are following the science. They are not. They have an agenda. Just look at the whole Covid debacle. I hope their agenda is not fulfilled but I fear that it will be in time. One of their agendas is to push us out of using fossil fuels. At the moment they have everyone on board including all the car manufacturers. We will see how it all unfolds.

Again I am not looking at this time to buy an EV even though my son has tried to convince me to get a Tesla in the past. Maybe I am stupid because the money I could presently save. I just do not like who is driving the boat and I think if we think that EV's etc will be our answer for all of our energy needs because it will be inexpensive I think those that think that way are living in a dream.

Thanks for hearing me out.

 

[JasperFrank]

I watched all the "Long Way.." motorcycle adventures that have been put out starring Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman. On this last one, "Long Way Up," they rode electric, off road modified Harley Livewire motorcycles from South America to Alaska.
The support crew, using diesel powered vehicles, towed a diesel generator to recharge the bikes and the Rivian just in case the sponsor's, specially installed, Rivian charging stations didn't work.
It was a fun adventure to watch, yet I feel slightly punked, now knowing, that there was always, just out of camera view, an industrial diesel powered electric generator.
I think the real shock, pun intended, to early EV adopters is going to be future access to replacement batteries. You can buy a replacement pack for a Hybrid, but its any where from 3K to 6K depending on the car. But I'm sure many people will figure out a bypass to extend to life of the vehicle as an ICE only car, that lost the feature being a hybrid. They still get great mileage.
Pure EVs; here, we get into a difficult situation as the battery packs, once no longer usable, will exceed the value of the used car. What are we to do with millions of perfectly good used car platforms that can't be economically retro fitted because the patents on the batteries are still in place or that the parts have been serialized to lock out any third party replacement parts?
I see a huge "Gotsha" on the horizon.
I have looked for any sort of domestic lithum car battery recycling in the USA. If anyone can find one operational facility, please inform me and correct my ignorance, cause I can't find one that is right now, up and running and sending recovered materials back to USA battery production facilities.

 

[Jstpssng]

EV trucks have plenty of room for the 5000W Honda...

That's good to know.

 

[sd455dan]

I watched all the "Long Way.." motorcycle adventures that have been put out starring Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman. On this last one, "Long Way Up," they rode electric, off road modified Harley Livewire motorcycles from South America to Alaska.
The support crew, using diesel powered vehicles, towed a diesel generator to recharge the bikes and the Rivian just in case the sponsor's, specially installed, Rivian charging stations didn't work.
It was a fun adventure to watch, yet I feel slightly punked, now knowing, that there was always, just out of camera view, an industrial diesel powered electric generator.
I think the real shock, pun intended, to early EV adopters is going to be future access to replacement batteries. You can buy a replacement pack for a Hybrid, but its any where from 3K to 6K depending on the car. But I'm sure many people will figure out a bypass to extend to life of the vehicle as an ICE only car, that lost the feature being a hybrid. They still get great mileage.
Pure EVs; here, we get into a difficult situation as the battery packs, once no longer usable, will exceed the value of the used car. What are we to do with millions of perfectly good used car platforms that can't be economically retro fitted because the patents on the batteries are still in place or that the parts have been serialized to lock out any third party replacement parts?
I see a huge "Gotsha" on the horizon.
I have looked for any sort of domestic lithum car battery recycling in the USA. If anyone can find one operational facility, please inform me and correct my ignorance, cause I can't find one that is right now, up and running and sending recovered materials back to USA battery production facilities.

Tesla would have produced more raw materials from recycled batteries but not enough are failing so far.

Tesla significantly increases its battery recycling capacity, but only a few owner battery packs are coming back

Tesla's battery recycling effort has significantly increased over the last year. It recovered over 1,000 tons of materials.

electrek.co

a quote from above article:

Tesla’s 2021 Impact Report, it has released an update on its battery recycling effort. In 2021, Tesla increased its battery material recycling to 1,500 tons of nickel, 300 tons of copper, and 200 tons of cobalt.

Interestingly, copper recovery went down, but cobalt recovery went up significantly. At the current price of $80,000 per ton for cobalt, Tesla has recovered the equivalent of $16 million worth of cobalt last year.

Li Cycle is well on their way

Li-Cycle today announced Veolia Water Technologies as a partner for its lithium-ion battery recycling plant in Rochester, New York. | AltEnergyMag

The facility will help give life back to the equivalent of approximately 225,000 electric vehicle batteries per year by utilizing Veolia’s HPD® crystallization technology to process recycled lithium-ion battery materials.

www.altenergymag.com

Looks like they have been ramping up producton:

“We were pleased with our strong fourth quarter performance. The growth in our revenues exemplified the strong operational and commercial execution by the Li-Cycle team. We now have approximately 85 battery supply customer sources. We produced approximately 1,900 tonnes of black mass at the Kingston and Rochester Spokes during fiscal 2021, with more than 800 tonnes of black mass produced during the fourth quarter alone, and 100% of this production sold under off-take agreements.” said Ajay Kochhar, President and Chief Executive Officer of Li-Cycle.

"We also made significant strides on our Spoke and Hub strategy, competitively positioning Li-Cycle as the leading North American lithium-ion battery recycler. In aligning with our key commercial and strategic partners, we now expect to have annual Spoke processing capacity of up to 45,000 tonnes of lithium-ion battery input and Hub processing capacity of 90,000 tonnes of lithium-ion battery equivalent input in North America. We have the necessary funding available to support our expanded Rochester Hub and planned Spokes, including our initial launch into Europe," added Mr. Kochhar.

More than one source is claiming the structural 4680 battery pack will have a service life of 1 million miles,
Hard to prove until they run one on a track that far.

As far as used batteries for say a Chevy Volt or Bolt plenty of those available on the bid on a wreck auction. Colorado always seems to have some available that had severe hail damage. whole cars under 2 grand, sell some of whatever else is good.

If there is the will generally there is a way.
Of course under 100000 miles and most of the manufacturers will replace it.



Eventually in the market for an all electric vehicle, but until this inflation slows down, prices drop and supply exceeds demand there is no no point in even looking.

 

[Hay Dude]

Right off the bat, if the "powers that be" demand we comply, they must set the example...
No more Air Force 1...no more thirsty limousines and SUV motorcades...totally unnecessary

Snowball’s chance in he_ _ thats gonna happen.

 

[vernonrjones]

With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

I have owned a EV for 4 years now, i love it. It replaced a gas car. Cost to operate so .02 cents a mile, but my solar offsets that to zero. 0-60 in 2.9 seconds is a thrill ride. I do not miss standing in the winter cold pumping gas, just plug it in at night in the garage. I would consider replacing my truck is someone builds one that could pull my dump trailer with 5 tons of gravel in it, for now I stick with my diesel truck and tractor.

 

[Jstpssng]

I have owned a EV for 4 years now, i love it. It replaced a gas car. Cost to operate so .02 cents a mile, but my solar offsets that to zero. 0-60 in 2.9 seconds is a thrill ride. I do not miss standing in the winter cold pumping gas, just plug it in at night in the garage. I would consider replacing my truck is someone builds one that could pull my dump trailer with 5 tons of gravel in it, for now I stick with my diesel truck and tractor.

I believe that you share the sentiments of many. One vehicle, whether it's gas or electric, which is inexpensive to buy and cheap to run... while your work vehicle stays in the garage until there's a job to be done.


PS: Welcome to TBN!

 

[Fixastuff]

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I think the real shock, pun intended, to early EV adopters is going to be future access to replacement batteries. You can buy a replacement pack for a Hybrid, but its any where from 3K to 6K depending on the car.

I used to work on cars/trucks and then was a service manager for a while.

Have you ever priced a replacement engine or transmission from the manufacturer? 7 years ago Jasper remanufactured unites were 3-6k depending on what it went in to. Replacements from the oem could be anywhere from a couple k higher than that to double that.

 

[bnold]

Solar arrays usually have a battery bank, in fact they all do. I have yet to see a direct to inverter from a solar array type set up.

Uhh, grid tied solar is pretty common. What my system is.

I have a bi-directional meter from my Coop Utility.

My 15KW solar system/inverter pushes up to 62.5A @ 240V into my distribution system. It is basically 1st source, any excess and my meter spins backwards, if my demand is higher the meter spins forwards (albeit slower due to my own production), rain or night and meter acts as normal.

Last month my little system averaged around 70kwh per day, or about 2,100kwh produced over a billing period.

On my meter, 2,252kwh flowed in from the grid and I pushed (generated) 1,475kwh back into the grid. The delta of 777kwh is what I paid for on my bill.

This energy wasn’t stored, I have no batteries. In the peak sun of the day, somebody else used my solar power (and paid me for it), power plants generated a little less.

In no way am I saying this is ‘green’ or whatever, don’t care. I’m all for many types of power generation and a firm believer we are behind many powers of the world in nuclear.