Farmwithjunk
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My local NAPA store sells me windshield washer solution @ $1.05 a gallon when I buy in quantity. (Usually over 100 gallons at a time)
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Farmwithjunk
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My local NAPA store sells me windshield washer solution @ $1.05 a gallon when I buy in quantity. (Usually over 100 gallons at a time)
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My local NAPA store sells me windshield washer solution @ $1.05 a gallon when I buy in quantity. (Usually over 100 gallons at a time) )</font>
I've also got it last year at my local NAPA for not a whole lot more when I buy 5 cases of 6 one-gallon jugs (30 gallons total)...
During the colder months, Wally World and other places also have specials for 99 cents a gallon if you happen across them. I've seen this price at truck stops and gas stations late in the season, when they're trying to clear out their inventory of the winter blend...
I've also got it last year at my local NAPA for not a whole lot more when I buy 5 cases of 6 one-gallon jugs (30 gallons total)...
During the colder months, Wally World and other places also have specials for 99 cents a gallon if you happen across them. I've seen this price at truck stops and gas stations late in the season, when they're trying to clear out their inventory of the winter blend...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My local NAPA store sells me windshield washer solution @ $1.05 a gallon when I buy in quantity. (Usually over 100 gallons at a time) )</font>
I've also got it last year at my local NAPA for not a whole lot more when I buy 5 cases of 6 one-gallon jugs (30 gallons total)...
During the colder months, Wally World and other places also have specials for 99 cents a gallon if you happen across them. I've seen this price at truck stops and gas stations late in the season, when they're trying to clear out their inventory of the winter blend...
I've also got it last year at my local NAPA for not a whole lot more when I buy 5 cases of 6 one-gallon jugs (30 gallons total)...
During the colder months, Wally World and other places also have specials for 99 cents a gallon if you happen across them. I've seen this price at truck stops and gas stations late in the season, when they're trying to clear out their inventory of the winter blend...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( That's correct, but that's at a concentration of about 50/50 with water )</font>
No... the 50/50 is mostly lowering the freeze point. many thermosyphon engines run 30/70.. and as shown here.. a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance. A slushy ice/water mix in a tire is ok.. in an engine it isn't..
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No... the 50/50 is mostly lowering the freeze point. many thermosyphon engines run 30/70.. and as shown here.. a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance. A slushy ice/water mix in a tire is ok.. in an engine it isn't..
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( That's correct, but that's at a concentration of about 50/50 with water )</font>
No... the 50/50 is mostly lowering the freeze point. many thermosyphon engines run 30/70.. and as shown here.. a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance. A slushy ice/water mix in a tire is ok.. in an engine it isn't..
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No... the 50/50 is mostly lowering the freeze point. many thermosyphon engines run 30/70.. and as shown here.. a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance. A slushy ice/water mix in a tire is ok.. in an engine it isn't..
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( No... the 50/50 is mostly lowering the freeze point.)</font>
So you are saying that significantly lower concentrations than 50/50, say 1/20 or 1/50 AF to water (which is what you hear most commonly), will provide adequate corrosion resistance? That's what I've been wanting to hear! Asked several times but never got a definitive response. I assumed it was because no one was sure.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)</font>
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance.)</font>
Good, because I don't really need the freeze protection at all, I'm primarily concerned with rust. But you say 'superior'; superior to what? Plain water? I'd expect so, but would like to know how much better. I'm just looking for 'adequate' or 'sufficient'. I'm sure I'm over-thinking and over-worrying (which is what a first time tractor owner is prone to do) but tomorrow I'm going to borrow a floor jack and put water and AF in the tires. I'm going to try and get 3-4 gallons per tire of AF if I can find some cheap stuff. Four gallons would put me at about 1/10.
Wish me luck.
I'll report back Monday. Same Bat time. Same Bat channel. Stay tuned.
So you are saying that significantly lower concentrations than 50/50, say 1/20 or 1/50 AF to water (which is what you hear most commonly), will provide adequate corrosion resistance? That's what I've been wanting to hear! Asked several times but never got a definitive response. I assumed it was because no one was sure.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)</font>
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance.)</font>
Good, because I don't really need the freeze protection at all, I'm primarily concerned with rust. But you say 'superior'; superior to what? Plain water? I'd expect so, but would like to know how much better. I'm just looking for 'adequate' or 'sufficient'. I'm sure I'm over-thinking and over-worrying (which is what a first time tractor owner is prone to do) but tomorrow I'm going to borrow a floor jack and put water and AF in the tires. I'm going to try and get 3-4 gallons per tire of AF if I can find some cheap stuff. Four gallons would put me at about 1/10.
Wish me luck.
I'll report back Monday. Same Bat time. Same Bat channel. Stay tuned.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( No... the 50/50 is mostly lowering the freeze point.)</font>
So you are saying that significantly lower concentrations than 50/50, say 1/20 or 1/50 AF to water (which is what you hear most commonly), will provide adequate corrosion resistance? That's what I've been wanting to hear! Asked several times but never got a definitive response. I assumed it was because no one was sure.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)</font>
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance.)</font>
Good, because I don't really need the freeze protection at all, I'm primarily concerned with rust. But you say 'superior'; superior to what? Plain water? I'd expect so, but would like to know how much better. I'm just looking for 'adequate' or 'sufficient'. I'm sure I'm over-thinking and over-worrying (which is what a first time tractor owner is prone to do) but tomorrow I'm going to borrow a floor jack and put water and AF in the tires. I'm going to try and get 3-4 gallons per tire of AF if I can find some cheap stuff. Four gallons would put me at about 1/10.
Wish me luck.
I'll report back Monday. Same Bat time. Same Bat channel. Stay tuned.
So you are saying that significantly lower concentrations than 50/50, say 1/20 or 1/50 AF to water (which is what you hear most commonly), will provide adequate corrosion resistance? That's what I've been wanting to hear! Asked several times but never got a definitive response. I assumed it was because no one was sure.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)</font>
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a few gallons of antifreeze will lower the freezing point enough to provide some protection.. yet give superior corrosion resistance.)</font>
Good, because I don't really need the freeze protection at all, I'm primarily concerned with rust. But you say 'superior'; superior to what? Plain water? I'd expect so, but would like to know how much better. I'm just looking for 'adequate' or 'sufficient'. I'm sure I'm over-thinking and over-worrying (which is what a first time tractor owner is prone to do) but tomorrow I'm going to borrow a floor jack and put water and AF in the tires. I'm going to try and get 3-4 gallons per tire of AF if I can find some cheap stuff. Four gallons would put me at about 1/10.
Wish me luck.
I'll report back Monday. Same Bat time. Same Bat channel. Stay tuned.
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I didn't post earlier because I was not sure about the corrosive resistance anti-freeze would give you. I put 2 gals ea in the rears and only 1 ea in the fronts unisng that little NAPA filling tool....filled the rest up to the valve stem (at 12:00 o'clock) with water. Took me a couple of hours to do all of them...saved me some bucks too.
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I didn't post earlier because I was not sure about the corrosive resistance anti-freeze would give you. I put 2 gals ea in the rears and only 1 ea in the fronts unisng that little NAPA filling tool....filled the rest up to the valve stem (at 12:00 o'clock) with water. Took me a couple of hours to do all of them...saved me some bucks too.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( assumed it was because no one was sure.
)</font>
Aside from the few of us that just guess and mix.. I'm not sure there is any hard or fast info out there on low ratio AF mixes..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
)</font>
They are running 30/70 to keep freeze resistance. On thermosyphon systems, lower antifreeze ratios are actually better. For instance.. a 50/50 mix has been reported to cause hot spots and circulating problems in thermosyphon systems.. Many thermosyphon systems reccomend distilled water for non-freezing environments.. due to the better circulation..
Here's your chance. Go grab a handfull of cheap grade 2 hardware.. mix up a couple glasses of various strength af/water mixes.. and let them set.. and record corrosion progress over time.
( Keep in mind that reccomended fill in a tire is 75% so that water level is over rim.. thus lowering oxygen contact with the metal).
This is another reson I like tube tires.. as long as the tube is intact.. no fluid hits the rim.. etc.
Soundguy
)</font>
Aside from the few of us that just guess and mix.. I'm not sure there is any hard or fast info out there on low ratio AF mixes..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
)</font>
They are running 30/70 to keep freeze resistance. On thermosyphon systems, lower antifreeze ratios are actually better. For instance.. a 50/50 mix has been reported to cause hot spots and circulating problems in thermosyphon systems.. Many thermosyphon systems reccomend distilled water for non-freezing environments.. due to the better circulation..
Here's your chance. Go grab a handfull of cheap grade 2 hardware.. mix up a couple glasses of various strength af/water mixes.. and let them set.. and record corrosion progress over time.
( Keep in mind that reccomended fill in a tire is 75% so that water level is over rim.. thus lowering oxygen contact with the metal).
This is another reson I like tube tires.. as long as the tube is intact.. no fluid hits the rim.. etc.
Soundguy
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( assumed it was because no one was sure.
)</font>
Aside from the few of us that just guess and mix.. I'm not sure there is any hard or fast info out there on low ratio AF mixes..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
)</font>
They are running 30/70 to keep freeze resistance. On thermosyphon systems, lower antifreeze ratios are actually better. For instance.. a 50/50 mix has been reported to cause hot spots and circulating problems in thermosyphon systems.. Many thermosyphon systems reccomend distilled water for non-freezing environments.. due to the better circulation..
Here's your chance. Go grab a handfull of cheap grade 2 hardware.. mix up a couple glasses of various strength af/water mixes.. and let them set.. and record corrosion progress over time.
( Keep in mind that reccomended fill in a tire is 75% so that water level is over rim.. thus lowering oxygen contact with the metal).
This is another reson I like tube tires.. as long as the tube is intact.. no fluid hits the rim.. etc.
Soundguy
)</font>
Aside from the few of us that just guess and mix.. I'm not sure there is any hard or fast info out there on low ratio AF mixes..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( many thermosyphon engines run 30/70)
However, if I can't go any lower than 30/70, that's still pretty expensive.
)</font>
They are running 30/70 to keep freeze resistance. On thermosyphon systems, lower antifreeze ratios are actually better. For instance.. a 50/50 mix has been reported to cause hot spots and circulating problems in thermosyphon systems.. Many thermosyphon systems reccomend distilled water for non-freezing environments.. due to the better circulation..
Here's your chance. Go grab a handfull of cheap grade 2 hardware.. mix up a couple glasses of various strength af/water mixes.. and let them set.. and record corrosion progress over time.
( Keep in mind that reccomended fill in a tire is 75% so that water level is over rim.. thus lowering oxygen contact with the metal).
This is another reson I like tube tires.. as long as the tube is intact.. no fluid hits the rim.. etc.
Soundguy
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( say 1/20 or 1/50 AF to water (which is what you hear most commonly )</font>
Ok.. i just went and checked my tire size on my 8n.. I had 1 gallon of af in my tire.. and my data shows 27g to 75% fill..
So there you have it.. I did a 1:27 mix.
I had those tires filled from 2000 thru mid 2004 when i lost a rear tube, got new tube/tire on the right side and unloaded the other to match.. Rim looke dfine.. considering i had tubes though.. not saying much.. except that my tire I took off looked like it had been on for 30-40 years.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Ok.. i just went and checked my tire size on my 8n.. I had 1 gallon of af in my tire.. and my data shows 27g to 75% fill..
So there you have it.. I did a 1:27 mix.
I had those tires filled from 2000 thru mid 2004 when i lost a rear tube, got new tube/tire on the right side and unloaded the other to match.. Rim looke dfine.. considering i had tubes though.. not saying much.. except that my tire I took off looked like it had been on for 30-40 years.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( say 1/20 or 1/50 AF to water (which is what you hear most commonly )</font>
Ok.. i just went and checked my tire size on my 8n.. I had 1 gallon of af in my tire.. and my data shows 27g to 75% fill..
So there you have it.. I did a 1:27 mix.
I had those tires filled from 2000 thru mid 2004 when i lost a rear tube, got new tube/tire on the right side and unloaded the other to match.. Rim looke dfine.. considering i had tubes though.. not saying much.. except that my tire I took off looked like it had been on for 30-40 years.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Soundguy
Ok.. i just went and checked my tire size on my 8n.. I had 1 gallon of af in my tire.. and my data shows 27g to 75% fill..
So there you have it.. I did a 1:27 mix.
I had those tires filled from 2000 thru mid 2004 when i lost a rear tube, got new tube/tire on the right side and unloaded the other to match.. Rim looke dfine.. considering i had tubes though.. not saying much.. except that my tire I took off looked like it had been on for 30-40 years.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Soundguy
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Wally Worlds winter blend WW fluid is .99 a gallon...$94.00 to fill your tires.
If you have a pull behind 12v sprayer you can use it to fill your tires, there should be a "Y" fitting ( mine does) and just attach a garden hose with your adapter to it and every little bit just relieve the pressure.
If you have a pull behind 12v sprayer you can use it to fill your tires, there should be a "Y" fitting ( mine does) and just attach a garden hose with your adapter to it and every little bit just relieve the pressure.
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Wally Worlds winter blend WW fluid is .99 a gallon...$94.00 to fill your tires.
If you have a pull behind 12v sprayer you can use it to fill your tires, there should be a "Y" fitting ( mine does) and just attach a garden hose with your adapter to it and every little bit just relieve the pressure.
If you have a pull behind 12v sprayer you can use it to fill your tires, there should be a "Y" fitting ( mine does) and just attach a garden hose with your adapter to it and every little bit just relieve the pressure.
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You can cut the 94$ down too.. it doesn't have to be straight washer fluid.. just a mix...
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You can cut the 94$ down too.. it doesn't have to be straight washer fluid.. just a mix...
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I am having two new tires installed on my old JD "B" next week and I was told it would cost me $97 for a drum of washer fluid.
Only after reviewing the firestone chart I am second guessing my local tire dealer since according to the chart each 12.4 - 38 tire will take 46 gallon so that means 2 drums. And after reading this topic get me thinking that $97 for 50 gallon is expensive, guess a call is in order Monday morning.
Only after reviewing the firestone chart I am second guessing my local tire dealer since according to the chart each 12.4 - 38 tire will take 46 gallon so that means 2 drums. And after reading this topic get me thinking that $97 for 50 gallon is expensive, guess a call is in order Monday morning.
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I am having two new tires installed on my old JD "B" next week and I was told it would cost me $97 for a drum of washer fluid.
Only after reviewing the firestone chart I am second guessing my local tire dealer since according to the chart each 12.4 - 38 tire will take 46 gallon so that means 2 drums. And after reading this topic get me thinking that $97 for 50 gallon is expensive, guess a call is in order Monday morning.
Only after reviewing the firestone chart I am second guessing my local tire dealer since according to the chart each 12.4 - 38 tire will take 46 gallon so that means 2 drums. And after reading this topic get me thinking that $97 for 50 gallon is expensive, guess a call is in order Monday morning.
