Tipping a tractor

   / Tipping a tractor #41  
Re: Where is the rollover point

Wen, it's more of a beeper than a horn, so I don't think it would be enough to make you bail out or something like that! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

I ordered the beeper model to put on for side-to-side tilt, and I'm going to take the existing non-beeper model and mount it for front-to-back slope.

Even with 4wd, I've gotten stuck in ditches so deep that it took pulling myself out with the front end loader to get unstuck.

Mark
 
   / Tipping a tractor #42  
pdxman
Good to hear that you were not injured in the accident.
Front loaders are dangerous! Loader tractors should have a lower ground clearance,wider wheel base,approved ROPS, 3 point harness, and a brave operator.
I own 2 currently. that are only missing the 3 point, and on some job sites, the brave operator. Operating light,medium,or heavy equipment takes constant awarness, and alert to everything going on around, and under you.
Not uncommon to other posts, I have read elsewhere in this forum about certain types of transmissions being safer than other's. The safety can be so well pronounced that, a novice could become overwelmed with the saftey aspect and end up crippled, injured or even dead. (this does not omit the same for an experienced operator)
The manufactures are finally taking saftey seriously. regardless of the product. Our new boat has an option that shuts the engine down if the operator is thrown from the seat. Does that give the operator the security to drive the boat across the water in an unsafe manner? I should hope not.
As I always told my employee's. The only thing between you and the ground is, your butt and your brain.
sit on one, use the other.

Tell your in-law, its a piece of cake to lay one on it's side. hard to explain why. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Best of luck in the future.

Cowboy
sittin on his butt, and trying to figure out how to use the other. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Tipping a tractor #43  
I would think a tiltmeter would have limited uses other than just fun. If the angle feels steep, it is. Unless you are a dozer operator with ice water for blood (those guys are something!) you'll probably be queasy before trouble hits, but looking at a tiltmeter isn't the whole thing, a hole, or a rock, sudden soft ground, especially if you are out of granny-low can send it over. I don't think most rollovers happen driving carefully on maximum-angle-before-rollover ground, I think a lot are near ditches etc. I put a track hoe over on it's side, wasn't near the edge but it slid on a tree root into the ditch. Metal tracks on wood are like tires on ice. I look at those rubber tracks I see on some small units differently now.

Speaking of rollovers I picked up an auger from a gentleman (who had an L35!) who had a dozer guy make a road down the side of a ravine for him. The dozer rolled down the ravine TWICE! See what I mean about dozer drivers! I would have thought once would have sent him home!

I mentioned this before, now with the L35 I wouldn't hazard this as I think the fops isn't strong enough, but on my Ford with the bomb repellent roof I always wanted to put a sling over it and use an excavator to slowly pull the tractor over to see it's tip point.

Of course one of you unfeeling gentlemen told me to put a good replica of my fat ass in the seat for accuracy! Couple 4 sacks of potatoes ought to do it? Any Idahoians?

Backhoes are of course worse and better on slopes, CG is moved up and back, but you can alter the CG by putting a big rock in the backhoe bucket and stretching the hoe out on the ground up hill. Same with loader bucket, nice load dragging the ground. But then again if it's that bad it sounds like a dozer with an angle blade should visit the hill first if you absolutely have to cross it sideways. Saw a couple of D3 sized units go for around 6-8K at the auction the other day.
 
   / Tipping a tractor #44  
Re: Where is the rollover point

Bud, I agree; I wouldn't really want to drill holes in my new tractor hood or instrument panel. I have a steel canopy on my tractor with an angle iron frame, so that's where I mounted the tiltmeter (inclinometer), along with a work light and rear view mirror. And yep, I can believe that about having to buy dirt in the Georgetown area, but not within 20 miles of Navarro Mills Lake where I live./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Bird
 
   / Tipping a tractor #46  
I think I understand the point about a novice operator becoming "overwhelmed with the safety aspect" of a safer design of transmssion. Maybe complacent is another way of saying it. But I think safer is safer, no matter who's using it. The likelihood of a tractor operator having an accident follows roughly the same curve as the likelihood that a teenager will wreck a car. At first, he's in a dangerous situation because he doesn't know anything, but he's uncomfortable enough that he's careful, and that is an offsetting factor. After he's survived a week or so (maybe longer, maybe less, depending on how naturally cautious he is) without killing anybody, he begins to feel that there's nothing to it. Now, he's on the brink of disaster. He still doesn't know much about what he's doing, but he's not so careful anymore, so there's nothing to save him from doing something dangerous. If fact, now, just getting behind the wheel is dangerous. He's still stupid, but no longer realizes it. At this point, only a few near misses can save him from an accident. After some near misses or the accident itself, if he survives, the cautiousness comes back and he can live long enough to become experienced enough to not do stupid things (often) without endangering himself or others in the process.

But all of that relates only to the operator. Equipment with built-in safety features is safer for everybody, not just the novice. Once, when I stated that HST tractors were much safer than others, and explained why, somebody replied that this was only true of novices. I responded, asking him to explain a safety aspect that was of use to novices but not to experienced operators. He didn't answer. It's easy to get all puffed up, once we consider ourselves "experienced", and say "Well, I can operate anything safely. And, perhaps, most of the time, we can. But everyone makes mistakes. And that's what gets you, if there aren't inherent safety mechanisms to save you. Remember: The only time you need a seat belt, is when there's a major problem - but the rarity of major problems shouldn't disuade you from wearing it. It only takes one.

Mark
 

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