Tier 4 Emissions delete

[Bocephous]

You need to find a different dealer. There never were any Tier 3 engines in the less than 75 Hp category. Since he does not know that, what else does he not know?

Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but my R4047 has a Tier 3 engine.

 

[LouNY]

An article that attempts to show the different tiers and effective dates;
Emission Standards: USA: Nonroad Diesel Engines

 

[jaydee325]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but my R4047 has a Tier 3 engine.

It is complicated for sure.

Here is a link to the EPA Website showing non-road emission standards.

Your R4047 is 47 hp. As shown in the EPA table I linked to, the less than 50 hp (37 kW) went directly from Tier 2 to Tier 4. In the less than 75 hp (56 kW) there could be some Tier 3 engines if the manufacture took advantage of any of the foot notes. (Like I said, it is complicated!)

I don't bother referring to engines in Tiers in discussions of a specific engine unless it is miss information. I prefer to refer to an engine as either having exhaust after treatment (DOC or DPF) or not and this is readily apparent looking under the hood.

 

[Underdog57]

This is from the sales brochure for my 2013 R4041H

 

[jaydee325]

This is from the sales brochure for my 2013 R4041H

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And in this link LS sales brochure shows the Mitsubishi S4QL-D engine as an Interim Tier 4!

I'll just go with the EPA Regs as truth.

 

[Bocephous]

Well, I don't have dpf or any extra plumbing or regens so its a pretty user friendly and trouble free interim tier 4 tier 3.

 

[radios1]

But does it actuate externally on the pump or internally? If it's externally, it's easier to "deal" with it.

the fuel injection pump must have a solenoid for the limp mode then, since the fuel injection pump is mechanical. you'd just need to know if it has to be energized, or turned off to give normal operation.. then you can just ignore the computer..

 

[Underdog57]

Well, I don't have dpf or any extra plumbing or regens so its a pretty user friendly and trouble free interim tier 4 tier 3.

There you go! We'll just go with that! :thumbsup:

 

[ptsg]

the fuel injection pump must have a solenoid for the limp mode then, since the fuel injection pump is mechanical. you'd just need to know if it has to be energized, or turned off to give normal operation.. then you can just ignore the computer..

If that's the case, that would indeed make it easier to address.

 

[bearthebruce]

A new video as to what is happening with the EPA and their aggressive stance on Diesel emission deletes:

YouTube

The focus is on trucks but watch to the end (8:31 in) he talks about tractors.

At 2:20ish into the video, he talks about the EPA's National Compliance Initiative on stopping aftermarket defeat devices and the language of the new rules and the action of the EPA. The guy is reading from some article and says that the ruling against the tuner said something to the effect that all on or off road vehicles which were supplied with emissions equipment must not be modified... Listen to his words and check out the links he provides for more information.

Other posts in this thread have stated that the EPA is getting more aggressive. Those statements are correct. Be careful about posting of companies who can do emissions delete work. Don't name them and do not state where they are. The EPA is watching threads like this one.

I like the guy's speculation of what it would be like to have the EPA show up at a tractor pull...

 

[5030]

A new video as to what is happening with the EPA and their aggressive stance on Diesel emission deletes:

YouTube

The focus is on trucks but watch to the end (8:31 in) he talks about tractors.

At 2:20ish into the video, he talks about the EPA's National Compliance Initiative on stopping aftermarket defeat devices and the language of the new rules and the action of the EPA. The guy is reading from some article and says that the ruling against the tuner said something to the effect that all on or off road vehicles which were supplied with emissions equipment must not be modified... Listen to his words and check out the links he provides for more information.

Other posts in this thread have stated that the EPA is getting more aggressive. Those statements are correct. Be careful about posting of companies who can do emissions delete work. Don't name them and do not state where they are. The EPA is watching threads like this one.

I like the guy's speculation of what it would be like to have the EPA show up at a tractor pull...

Sort of like the State ag inspectors visiting farm auctions and dipping fuel tanks on diesel pickup trucks (for off road diesel). real common here and it's a first time fine of $1000.00. Second time, $5000.00. That is a bunch of diesel either way. While running ORD don't negate anything on a permanent basis or impact resale / trade in value, hacking the emissions controls on a T4 final engine does.

A hacked T4 final powerplant makes the unit unsaleable and if you do sell it under false pretenses (knowing it's modified) and the next owner gets pinched, you are still on the hook. It's called mitigating circumstances and the Fed will get in your wallet, big time.

I guess if you plan on keeping a unit forever it's all good but in 99% of situations, that don't happen.

The prudent avenue is purchase a used, well maintained unit that is pre-4. What I did. I don't worry about hacking or deleting as there isn't anything to hack or delete.

Besides, a pre-4 engine will last a lot longer. Emissions hardware and software put additional loads on an engine (excessive heat) so the engine's lifespan is reduced. How much is a crapshoot but I'm willing to bet they are less.

 

[fried1765]

Sort of like the State ag inspectors visiting farm auctions and dipping fuel tanks on diesel pickup trucks (for off road diesel). real common here and it's a first time fine of $1000.00. Second time, $5000.00. That is a bunch of diesel either way. While running ORD don't negate anything on a permanent basis or impact resale / trade in value, hacking the emissions controls on a T4 final engine does.

A hacked T4 final powerplant makes the unit unsaleable and if you do sell it under false pretenses (knowing it's modified) and the next owner gets pinched, you are still on the hook. It's called mitigating circumstances and the Fed will get in your wallet, big time.

I guess if you plan on keeping a unit forever it's all good but in 99% of situations, that don't happen.

The prudent avenue is purchase a used, well maintained unit that is pre-4. What I did. I don't worry about hacking or deleting as there isn't anything to hack or delete.

Besides, a pre-4 engine will last a lot longer. Emissions hardware and software put additional loads on an engine (excessive heat) so the engine's lifespan is reduced. How much is a crapshoot but I'm willing to bet they are less.

Finding and buying a good used pre Tier IV emissions tractor ALWAYS makes the search and wait worthwhile!

 

[5030]

Finding and buying a good used pre Tier IV emissions tractor ALWAYS makes the search and wait worthwhile!

+1. My second one took me a couple weeks and a 600 mile trip. They are getting harder to find as people are getting wise to the emissions junk and, they hold their value extremely well. I lucked out with the one I bought, was at a Deere dealer taken on trade and the dealer had no idea what it was (I did) and I negotiated the price down and paid cash (18 grand) for it. Had it at my Kubota dealer this winter and asked the lead mechanic (who I'm personal friends with) to tell me candidly if I got it for a good price. His comment was I stole it. Nice thing was the Deere dealer delivered it to the farm too. Had them go though it and replace what need to be replaced and run the overhead. it's a very solid unit. I have an identical one to it but a cab model and I bought it new in 2004 and paid just under 50K for it. Bet I could sell it tomorrow for 30 and probably 25 for the other one. Neither are for sale. Might be in my will, but that's it.