Thread seal everything?

[future_vision]

I added a 3rd function kit to my tractor and it leaks on both ends where the hoses run to the attachment to where they tie into the hose that run to the 3rd function housing. I recall using thread sealant somewhere along the path but I don't recall exactly. Does it make sense to use thread sealant regardless of the fitting type?

 

[Ricks284]

Are those NPT fittings?

It definitely depends on the fitting type -- for example, the ones that have an angled mating surface (like JIC 37 degree fittings) will not benefit from sealant, and bulkhead fittings need an o-ring or hydraulic washer (dowty seal).

I had a bunch of leaks, and every one of them required a different solution. I only use hydraulic-rated thread sealant on NPT fittings. And the NPTF (Nat'l Pipe Thread Fuel) fittings don't actually need sealant. (and never use Teflon tape...)

 

[TractorTech]

No it doesn't. On ORB, flat face and JIC fittings it isn't necessary, but I have seen people tape JIC fittings

 

[nyone]

You shouldnt be useing any kind of tape on any part of a hydraulic system. It can get in the hydraulic flow and cought in valves.

If you dont have NPT fittings you dont need any sealant.

 

[/pine]

NPT fittings are really only supposed to be used once...after the surfaces are mated reuse requires more torque...
There is nothing wrong with using tape as long as you know what you're doing...many commercial equipment mechanics and shops use it on both new and used equipment...the biggest problem with tape is getting the remains out of a F/M port etc...
For the most part especially with NPT sealant or tape is just a lubricant to allow a tight mechanical fit...

 

[future_vision]

I don't recall what fittings were on both ends of the hoses. I know I did a lot of research before hooking everything up. That being said is it just best to replace them all? Or maybe I just need to crank down on them a bit first and see if that resolves the issue?

 

[TractorTech]

I don't recall what fittings were on both ends of the hoses. I know I did a lot of research before hooking everything up. That being said is it just best to replace them all? Or maybe I just need to crank down on them a bit first and see if that resolves the issue?

Figure out what kind of fittings they are before doing that.

What brand/ model machine are you talking about?

 

[dusty3030]

Kioti kit would have been BSPP

 

[future_vision]

Figure out what kind of fittings they are before doing that.

What brand/ model machine are you talking about?

Kioti DK6010 and it was the Kioti 3rd function kit not the W. R. Long kit. Looks like when I bough my grapple I needed to let them couple the coupler style. It was 1/2 inch ag style or parker 66 style according to me research at the time.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I just used sealing washers on my fittings. Dowty type

 

[TractorTech]

I just used sealing washers on my fittings. Dowty type

If that is the type of fitting that is leaking

 

[WranglerX]

The only type of fitting that uses a "sealant" is tapered thread fitting like NPT (and variations) ... All other fitting use either a flair or sealing washer or 'O" ring to seal... Straight thread fitting do not require or use sealants...

 

[future_vision]

The only type of fitting that uses a "sealant" is tapered thread fitting like NPT (and variations) ... All other fitting use either a flair or sealing washer or 'O" ring to seal... Straight thread fitting do not require or use sealants...

Pioneer style would be NPT then I believe correct?

 

[ericm979]

All ag couplers I have seen have NPT threads. I use LocTite 545 for hydraulic NPT threads.

 

[future_vision]

All ag couplers I have seen have NPT threads. I use LocTite 545 for hydraulic NPT threads.

I know I used Apache High Pressure Hydraulic Thread Sealant on some of the connections but I don't recall which one. Regardless I have the connections leaking at the attachment and where those hoses tie into the connecting hoses for the 3rd function. What do I need to do to troubleshoot? Is there a process to follow? I imagine the hoses need to be drained in some way and the couplers need to be taken off and cleaned. What would be the best way to do this?

 

[WranglerX]

I know I used Apache High Pressure Hydraulic Thread Sealant on some of the connections but I don't recall which one. Regardless I have the connections leaking at the attachment and where those hoses tie into the connecting hoses for the 3rd function. What do I need to do to troubleshoot? Is there a process to follow? I imagine the hoses need to be drained in some way and the couplers need to be taken off and cleaned. What would be the best way to do this?

Use any solvent that does not leave oily residue behind.... Petroleum Spirits (paint thinner), Acetone, Carb Cleaner (in spray can) and paper towels and Q-Tips and such.... Its not complicated....

 

[Ricks284]

Kioti DK6010 and it was the Kioti 3rd function kit not the W. R. Long kit.

Kioti kit would have been BSPP

You could tighten the fittings a bit to see if that helps. If not, you might have a mis-match between NPT and BSP threads. It would be very easy for this happen, because some sizes use the same thread pitch and diameter (1/2" and 3/4"). You have to closely inspect the threads to tell the difference. NPT on the left, BSP on the right:

Link: QC Hydraulics

 

[nyone]

I would start by checking all the fittings. Things can and do come loose from hose movement and vibration.

 

[future_vision]

Use any solvent that does not leave oily residue behind.... Petroleum Spirits (paint thinner), Acetone, Carb Cleaner (in spray can) and paper towels and Q-Tips and such.... Its not complicated....

Brake cleaner?

 

[future_vision]

I would start by checking all the fittings. Things can and do come loose from hose movement and vibration.

That is what I was thinking. Maybe expansion and contraction going from Winter to Spring loosened things up as well.