The Cattle Thread

/ The Cattle Thread #21  
Running the cattle in the front yard today. Supervised field trip, see assistant supervisors at the end.
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/ The Cattle Thread #22  
Did you buy a Charolais? The breed is hard to handle, they can be very spooky at times. Ya gotta move slow and easy when herding them. Great meat producers though.

We raised Herefords mostly when I was a youngun (which seem to be kind of a bit of a left behind breed but were pretty solid range cattle..) but our one neighbor had Charolais. It was always a bit rough if the Charolais bull got over onto our side of the range, the smaller Hereford heifers were not made for giving birth to a half Charolais calf.

We have Dexter's, Jersey's, and crosses of Dex/Jer. Got our first Dexters in 2018 and now have a herd of 40.

My dad has had a couple of Dexter/Dexter cross.. They seem pretty good for raising some home meat as the yield/acre was really decent. But I do wonder about marketing them if you're trying to sell any to the meat market having such smaller frames (add in the jersey and I guess my question still holds?), maybe it's less of a problem now than it was 20 or 30 years ago? Or are you mostly reselling them as breeding/milking stock?

I always liked the Jersey's we had for milk cows (we only had a couple at any time for house milk).. they seemed more even tempered than the Holsteins for whatever reason.
 
/ The Cattle Thread #23  
We haven't had any trouble selling 100% grass fed low line Belted Galloway beef locally. There's another large scale breeder hereabouts that has grown a sizable operation; his ground beef retails for $11/lb, tri-tip $27/lb, ribeye $40/lb. He has really worked at marketing his meat, so kudus to him.

Personally, I have always liked Jerseys, and they always seemed sweet and even tempered to me, unlike the Holsteins we had. We never had them, so I really can't comment.

All the best, Peter
 
/ The Cattle Thread #24  
We haven't had any trouble selling 100% grass fed low line Belted Galloway beef locally. There's another large scale breeder hereabouts that has grown a sizable operation; his ground beef retails for $11/lb, tri-tip $27/lb, ribeye $40/lb. He has really worked at marketing his meat, so kudus to him.

Thanks, interesting to get some direct feedback from the current realities :)

Ok interesting so you're selling direct to consumer then. The processing costs for that seem to continue getting more usurious unless you're real lucky with a local processor.

How happy your customers are with well north of $10/lb much less $20+/lb beef is another interesting note, seems wild to me.. but I've been out of touch on that for a while I guess. I would assume that's fairly regional as well.
 
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Thanks, interesting to get some direct feedback from the current realities :)

Ok interesting so you're selling direct to consumer then. The processing costs for that seem to continue getting more usurious unless you're real lucky with a local processor.

How happy your customers are with well north of $10/lb much less $20+/lb beef is another interesting note, seems wild to me.. but I've been out of touch on that for a while I guess. I would assume that's fairly regional as well.
Just to be clear those are their prices, not ours. They have worked for twenty years to establish a local grass fed brand that extends today well beyond beef. We never targeted direct to consumer for a variety of reasons.

Yes processing is a local challenge, in terms of price, availability, and customization. It is hard to get local processors hang the beef for long, e.g. over a few days, and slaughter plus processing adds on the order of $1/lb, though it can be had for closer to $0.60, if the cattle are hauled 1-2 hours away.

All the best,

Peter
 
/ The Cattle Thread #26  
Brangus is my preference down here in the humid hot climate of Florida, a little brahma mixed in to any breed in these parts makes them fairly hardy, brahma's will eat leaves, gallberries and palmettos to survive when there is minimal forage while many other breeds will melt down to nothing.
 
/ The Cattle Thread #27  
Processing in my area is well past a buck a pound.
The last time I check a $1.10 was the least expensive, with one at $1.72/pound. Then add a $25 kill fee, and a $20-$35 waste disposal fee.

Current direct sale prices in this area;

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/ The Cattle Thread #28  
Brangus is my preference down here in the humid hot climate of Florida, a little brahma mixed in to any breed in these parts makes them fairly hardy, brahma's will eat leaves, gallberries and palmettos to survive when there is minimal forage while many other breeds will melt down to nothing.
Animals being fed in that manner are going to be strong flavored and tougher to chew.
 
/ The Cattle Thread #30  
Animals being fed in that manner are going to be strong flavored and tougher to chew.
They have to survive and that's what is most important, most of these momma cows ain't headed to a slaughterhouse. I'm feeding these 2 out right now, 1 is a steer the other is a registered Brangus heifer that is sterile, but I will guarantee you that they will taste good on anybody's plate.
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/ The Cattle Thread #31  
They have to survive and that's what is most important, most of these momma cows ain't headed to a slaughterhouse.
If you need to feed animals that poorly you shouldn't have them.
Besides which most this thread seems to be home/farm locally raised not feed lot stuff.
 
/ The Cattle Thread #32  
If you need to feed animals that poorly you shouldn't have them.
Besides which most this thread seems to be home/farm locally raised not feed lot stuff.
I didn't say that I needed to ,I try to keep pasture , hay, Rye during the winter etc, but we are in the middle of a drought since last September and trying to hold on, Florida is full of wood's cows, a little different than where you are, most cattlemen aren't trying to feed them poorly as you say, we are just trying to survive a rough patch ( drought ).
 
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My dad has had a couple of Dexter/Dexter cross.. They seem pretty good for raising some home meat as the yield/acre was really decent. But I do wonder about marketing them if you're trying to sell any to the meat market having such smaller frames (add in the jersey and I guess my question still holds?), maybe it's less of a problem now than it was 20 or 30 years ago? Or are you mostly reselling them as breeding/milking stock?

I always liked the Jersey's we had for milk cows (we only had a couple at any time for house milk).. they seemed more even tempered than the Holsteins for whatever reason.
We got the Dexter's for just that purpose, small. Both for better land utilization and for selling whole/halves. Takes a lot more feed for larger framed animals and each breed grazes a bit differently. It can be hard to sell beef in the first place and not every family needs large amounts of beef, has the freezer space, or the income to buy it. I think only one of our customers is a 4 member family. All our others are elderly, husband/wife, single. Smaller size allows better freezer turn over than beef just sitting because you just don't eat it fast.

The Jersey's/Jersey crosses go into wife's store as just ground beef. I milk a few during the winter.

We haven't had any trouble selling 100% grass fed low line Belted Galloway beef locally. There's another large scale breeder hereabouts that has grown a sizable operation; his ground beef retails for $11/lb, tri-tip $27/lb, ribeye $40/lb. He has really worked at marketing his meat, so kudus to him.

Personally, I have always liked Jerseys, and they always seemed sweet and even tempered to me, unlike the Holsteins we had. We never had them, so I really can't comment.

All the best, Peter
Wife sells our ground for $6. This is our 3rd year selling ground. I cannot convince her it needs to be at least $9. 1st year was $5/lb just to see how it went. My idea was a $2 increase. Skip a year and then another $2 increase. We want to run 5 animals through the store a year. This year is 2.5 animals. I foresee us being sold out in July if not earlier. Store opens May 1st until sold out.
 
/ The Cattle Thread #34  
My cousin has switched from a hybrid of red cattle, to predominantly Stabilizers, a hybrid breed as well.

They run upwards of 1000 cattle on 4+ brands. Their ranch is over 125 years old.

Here's more info on the breed.

 
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We got the Dexter's for just that purpose, small. Both for better land utilization and for selling whole/halves. Takes a lot more feed for larger framed animals and each breed grazes a bit differently. It can be hard to sell beef in the first place and not every family needs large amounts of beef, has the freezer space, or the income to buy it. I think only one of our customers is a 4 member family. All our others are elderly, husband/wife, single. Smaller size allows better freezer turn over than beef just sitting because you just don't eat it fast.

The Jersey's/Jersey crosses go into wife's store as just ground beef. I milk a few during the winter.


Wife sells our ground for $6. This is our 3rd year selling ground. I cannot convince her it needs to be at least $9. 1st year was $5/lb just to see how it went. My idea was a $2 increase. Skip a year and then another $2 increase. We want to run 5 animals through the store a year. This year is 2.5 animals. I foresee us being sold out in July if not earlier. Store opens May 1st until sold out.
As a buyer, if your product is quality, and its not a hassle to arrange pick, ect; you need to be within $0.50/lbs of market going rate on ground; maybe a $1. Thats assuming good product. Ive seen some direct sales places that the quality is just really varied on fat content, or flavor. Other direct sales operations, the pick up/order/payment is just plain a turn off...

Edit: Even the packaging. For us, 1.5lbs individual tubes is great; for others, they want 1.0 lbs or 0.75 lbs at a time depending on the house old. Even one i like, 1 Friday per month, 5-7pm, for pick-up, often makes it not worth the trouble.

Also, just giving one person's view, some people may be willing to pay 50% higher than market, just not me. If you are selling out quickly, it sounds like a price increase is in order. Sams Club is right around $6/lbs; so you should be charging $6.50-7/lbs IMO
 
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/ The Cattle Thread #36  
The last time I check a $1.10 was the least expensive, with one at $1.72/pound. Then add a $25 kill fee, and a $20-$35 waste disposal fee.

Current direct sale prices in this area;

Wife sells our ground for $6. This is our 3rd year selling ground. I cannot convince her it needs to be at least $9.

You folks sure ain't clearing a lot at those prices once you count overhead! The processing costs have really shot up it seems.. it was $0.40 and under pre-covid.. checking some local processors they were all in the mid-upper range of what LouNY is reporting as well. Makes it hard to compete with the big packers.
 
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You folks sure ain't clearing a lot at those prices once you count overhead! The processing costs have really shot up it seems.. it was $0.40 and under pre-covid.. checking some local processors they were all in the mid-upper range of what LouNY is reporting as well. Makes it hard to compete with the big packers.
As a buyer, if your product is quality, and its not a hassle to arrange pick, ect; you need to be within $0.50/lbs of market going rate on ground; maybe a $1. Thats assuming good product. Ive seen some direct sales places that the quality is just really varied on fat content, or flavor. Other direct sales operations, the pick up/order/payment is just plain a turn off...

Edit: Even the packaging. For us, 1.5lbs individual tubes is great; for others, they want 1.0 lbs or 0.75 lbs at a time depending on the house old. Even one i like, 1 Friday per month, 5-7pm, for pick-up, often makes it not worth the trouble.

Also, just giving one person's view, some people may be willing to pay 50% higher than market, just not me. If you are selling out quickly, it sounds like a price increase is in order. Sams Club is right around $6/lbs; so you should be charging $6.50-7/lbs IMO
It is pushing $1.20 processing. Your not kidding about the overhead. The daily work just taking care of the animals. Making the feed. Pisses me off trying to get her to realize the costs. What I would like to do is break off the ground section of the herd and tell her there they are, you buy the feed from me and take care of them and see what price you should sell it at. Grass fed or any specific label ground beef in the store is currently running $8+- and has been for a while. I tell her we should never be cheaper than the stores. Who cares what the customer says. If they want cheap beef go to the store. As well as what is in the store is what is left after taking out the good cuts where ours is the whole cow. Also at the correct price is would help move customers to wanting whole/halves which was the reason for the ground in the first place and to have an outlet for animals that do not fit our live animal sales.
 
/ The Cattle Thread #39  
What I would like to do is break off the ground section of the herd and tell her there they are, you buy the feed from me and take care of them and see what price you should sell it at. Grass fed or any specific label ground beef in the store is currently running $8+- and has been for a while. I tell her we should never be cheaper than the stores.

Sounds like my dad, trying to get him to charge anything close to a living wage for the stuff he did was about impossible. Better accounting (or understanding the accounting..) can help but it's almost always mostly a psychological challenge.

I inherited some of that, and while I'll do things to help friends for basically free (if they just take and don't give that ends as well but a handful of us have some nice mutual help going on), I won't do work cheap or undersell things to the general public because that undercuts people trying to actually make a living at it.

You might gift her a copy of this book:

Priceless: The Myth of Fair Value (and How to Take Advantage of It) by William Poundstone

It helped me get my head around some of the pricing structures and was useful for also kind of understanding how some pricing/framing was being used against me. Fundamentally here you're not just selling beef, you're selling premium beef with a story attached. If you try to compete with walmart on price you're going to loose but you have a legitimate story about quality and sourcing that adds value. If you have customers who don't or can't understand that you fire them and get new customers who do. Customers can cost money to get; but they can also cost more money to keep than they're worth sometimes...
 

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