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I am in the process of purchasing a TC40D. I ordered it with ag tires and am being told by the dealer that the industrial tires are all that are available unless I want to wait for an extended perod of time. (how long he wasn't sure) Does this sound right to anyone? Also, should I consider the industrial tires over the ag's? I've never owned anything but ag's and I know nothing about the industrial's. I have several very steep area's that I'm concerned about traction. Does anyone have any experience either way? Many thanks.
 
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I had to wait about 5 extra weeks to get the ag tires on my TC35....apparently they normally ship the tractors with industrial tires. To add insult to the wait, the ag tires added cost to the purchase price (more than one dealer priced the tractor this way). My dealer really pressed me on the industrial tires (he sells lots of 'em and people seem happy) but pulling any load (logs or small stumps) on my hills and in the woods I have been very glad to have waited. But I don't have any real way to compare not having used the industrial tread in the same circumstances. I spin the wheels on enough occasions to presume that less agressive tread would slip all the more.

I drive on the lawn on occasion and unless it is very, very wet the ags don't hurt anything there.

My two cents: insist on the tires you want. The wait, if that's your preference, will pass quickly in the scheme of things.
 
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Stick with your ag's... for the best traction and you want them anyway...!

Industrials cost more than ag's... or simply put... a tractor ordered with ag's cost less than with industrials...

Dealer's select the tire type at the time of order... the industrials are the more popular sellers with the "weekend farmers"...

Normally the only industrial tires you'll see on a farm... are mounted on a skid steer loader...


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Thanks for your input. You mention hills. Are your areas steep enough, in your opinion, to warrant the ag tires? (the reason I ask is the wait I'm being given estimates of seems highly unusual, so I'm considering the industrials)(I don't want to wait) Also do you have supersteer? I'm seeing a number of advocates on this site. My concern is rollover with the sharp turning radius on the supersteer when I'm on my hills.
 
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Re: R4 vs R1 tires

<font color=blue>the industrials are the more popular sellers with the "weekend farmers"...</font color=blue>

about the only addition I'd make to that is that commercial/construction users in some area seem to prefer them. They tell me it's because they are more heavily constructed and stand up to more abuse (can't vouch for this personally... I'm on my first set of industrial tires on a tractor now)
 
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What are you planning on doing with your TC 40?

If you are just trying to drive (or mow) up those steep hills, Industrial vs Ag tires probably doesn't make a difference. Even running a box blade up or down a gravel drive to dress it up probably won't tax the traction on an R4 tire (I'm assuming they are loaded rear tires). More serious earthwork, such as installing that gravel road from scratch, plowing, etc will be tougher with R4's.
 
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Re: R4 vs R1 tires

<font color=blue>...commercial/construction users... prefer them....</font color=blue>

Absolutely John...

I had my mind-set more towards homeowners... but commercial establishments are almost 99.9 % industrials versus any other tires...

And yes the 10/14 plys along with the tremendous weight capacities on these ind. tires are some of the key benefits to choose them over others...

But the ag's are the most aggressive when it comes down to traction... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

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Bob, just my two-cents here, but unless you are planning on doing a lot of extremely heavy loader work orrrrrrr.... doing a lot of mowing where you don't want to tear up the ground so much, I'd go with Ags. I have the industrials on my TC-40D and had Ags on my old 1720 and for traction in just about every situation except for ice, the Ags win hands down. I got the industrials because I do some mowing with the tractor near the house and frequently are doing other things with the tractor which causes me to have to drive around the lawn, so I thought the industrials would be better suited. Probably I'd buy them again, but they have been a disappointment in the traction department. I think it also has to do with the fact that the industrials spread out the load a little more, and so less friction, because they are wider. On the super-steer, unless you have some very tight quarters to work in, or are using a belly-mount mower and need to get in extremely close to trees etc, I don't see that the added cost is worth it. I know many folks really like it, and I'm sure it has it's place, but I've been very happy with the standard steering - seems NH already made it capable of fairly sharp turns. Good luck and take your time. I know you want it now, but hopefully your making a decision on something you're going to have for a very long time. Be patient, in the end you'll be glad you did.
 
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John........I plan to bush hog about 30 ac (out of 106) 10 of which is on the side of a mountian.(very steep) I have a 1500' driveway that goes up the side of the mountian as well. (wash's out after a good rain so I regrade often) I will skid logs out of the woods which is also very hilly. I don't have any experience with the industrials and I've had bad luck with calicum. When I need to I'll weight the tractor for traction.
 
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Bob, from the description of your jobs, I'd say you need to hold out for the Ag tires. You'll be glad you did, even if you have to pay a little more. It turns out that my dealer told me the Ags were more expensive than industrials when I bought my tractor. Maybe John Miller is right about the way the
tractors are normally ordered, but for some reason the NH dealers all want more for the Ags./w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif I personally think that you will get as much traction with ags as you do with loaded industrials. I like my industrials, but my application is different from yours.

I just checked NHs retail prices for rear tire/wheel assys:
AG Bar per pair = $1883
Ind Bar per pair = $1301

It's crazy, but it's true. The ags are more expensive. ???
 
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Re: R4 vs R1 tires

I realize that industrial tires are offered in the aftermarket in 10 and 14 plies but all the tractors I looked at when I was buying mine were equipped with six ply rated tires, ag and industrial. I'm starting to think, after running my tractor around the 'hood from job to job, that the main benefit from industrials would be a smoother ride on pavement. :)
 
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Just to confuse this issue- I have had a TC35D for just over 1 year, 210 hrs, 180 acres, Adirondac foothills, very little flat land, all sidehills, use for brushhog, snow, woods, FEL work, hay rakeing, and play. I have larger JD and have always had tractors with Ag tires until this TC35D. Ags would have cost me $700 more, R-4s have more plys and wider tires for FEL work. I have ALWAYS loaded my tires with calcium and I always turn my rear tires out which on the TC gives me a 7 foot wide footing with my R-4s. No problem with traction on snow or ice, I do not need chains, The only reason I would get AGS on a TC would be if I was going to do a lot of dirt plowing or disking otherwise these R-4s are great for a alround tractor. I also like the extra plys working the woods. You will enjoy no mater which you choose.
 
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<font color=blue>I've had bad luck with calcium. When I need to I'll weight the tractor for traction</font color=blue>

You might want to look at filling with Rim Guard. It mostly the juice of sugar beets, with a few other goodies thrown in. It's completely non-toxic (in fact, it has an animal food grade certification), non corrosive -- actually help prevent corrosion of the rims, doesn't kill off vegetation (or pets) if you spring a leak easily good down to -35?F or lower. At about 11#/gallon, it weighs just a bit more than most Calcium Chloride solutions. If I didn't already have CaCl in my rears, this is what I'd be using.

If you are interested, contact Glen Daly at 517-351-6470. He is the patent holder, and can tell you about dealers in your area.

John Mc
 
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If you need weight, go with the Rim Guard. It has become the new standard for loading around these parts. SW Michigan.
 

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