T-B-N PROFILE ~~~ Importance of LOCATION

[RickB]

They bundle the normal census questions with questions that will aid merchants and companies.

American Community Survey - Wikipedia

It is a total disregard against the peoples right to keep under the radar. Even when you do that, some of us are subject to identity theft and can be a real pain in the rump. I don't mind answering what I felt were correct census questions but I'm not revealing my lifestyle just to help the business world.

As if every burp and fart heard or felt online isn’t already tracked.

 

[bcp]

Wait until you see the 2020 census. The amount of personal questions were astounding! We were picked as an early trial and no, there is no way all of those questions should be answered. One example: They have no business asking when you leave the house or come home from work. They acknowledge that the info will be given to the world to boost economic growth. What maintenance my house needs? Yeah, I can just imagine all the ads coming in the mail for windows and siding.

Sounds like you got a disguised survey sent out by your local burglar.

Bruce

 

[fried1765]

Wait until you see the 2020 census. The amount of personal questions were astounding! We were picked as an early trial and no, there is no way all of those questions should be answered. One example: They have no business asking when you leave the house or come home from work. They acknowledge that the info will be given to the world to boost economic growth. What maintenance my house needs? Yeah, I can just imagine all the ads coming in the mail for windows and siding.

For those very reasons I DO NOT participate in census taking.

 

[fried1765]

After 7,600 posts on T-B-N I find it baffling how few new members specify their location.

I find it difficult, sometimes impossible, to post solid information without knowing where the OP will operate the tractor.

Here are my reasons for wanting OP location.

ALTIITUDE - Tractors lose 3% of power for every 1,000' altitude increase, over 1,500' Sometimes twenty posts will be made advising on tractor horsepower, then we find OP is a 6,500 feet altitude and is considering a low power, naturally aspirated tractor.

WEATHER - ESPECIALLY SNOW - Blowing snow and mowing are the two tasks that require considerable engine power. If we know an OP is in Buffalo, NY rather than Key West, FL snow needs are apparent.

WEATHER - Large swathes of the country have a continental climate, four seasons, with great temperature variations.
Areas near the coast have varying maritime climates.

PRICING - Tractor and implement pricing and dealer service pricing varies a great deal. Most reasonable prices are usually in the south. Prices along the west coast and in the northeast are usually highest. Some states exempt agriculture and forestry equipment from state sales taxes. Florida is one example.

IMPLEMENTS - Availability of implements brands are regional, not national. ie: CountyLine, Rural King, etc.

SOIL AND GROWING SEASON - Whether game food plots or market crops, soil and length of growing season(s) in important. Soil type influences tire selection.


Everyone here has a screen name, as anonymous as they like. Any other profile information is contributed voluntarily, such as age and tractor brand/model. Relative to the massive data heists reported so often, with names, address, Social Security and credit card numbers stolen, this site is nearly anonymous.

What other reasons exist to encourage new members to complete the T-B-N PROFILE WITH SOME FORM OF THEIR LOCATION?

AGREED!

 

[ovrszd]

I've not cataloged a detailed count but, I'd guess 50% of the time when posting an answer to a logistical question/situation I look at the person's location that I'm responding to.

Although rather deeply detailed I think Jeff's points are valid. I'm sure with 30 minutes of searching I can find half a dozen current threads where location is important.

One in particular that I'm involved in right now where the OP has been repeatedly asked his location with definite relevance involved. So far he's ignoring the request while still asking for more input. Go figure.....

 

[Diggin It]

I see absolutely no use for any to post a location unless they simply choose to. Perhaps there should be a rule prohibiting asking, especially more than once?

 

[Diggin It]

One example: They have no business asking when you leave the house or come home from work.

I could see that if it helped determine traffic patterns or road usage.

 

[jeff9366]

Nonsense...again, unless someone has personal local experience how would they know the particulars of an unfamiliar area?...or have you lived and operated a tractor in every location on the planet too?

I traveled thirty states in the wine business for thirty years. Visited most other states incidentally except the northern tier in the east. There are few cities of 50,000 or more population where I have not sold wine account to account or surveyed stores as the guest of a distributor sales person.

Plenty of time to discuss the local economy and look over the area during visits. I will ever remember the day a sales person arranged a formal tasting for two of sixteen brands of Lebanon Bologna in Lebanon, Pennsylvania. Funny and tasty.

 

[Diggin It]

So, what? You've been in some stores. I've been to 49 states for one reason or another, mostly in rural or tourist areas. Doesn't make me think I know the soil content or how someone might use a tractor.

 

[/pine]

I've not cataloged a detailed count but, I'd guess 50% of the time when posting an answer to a logistical question/situation I look at the person's location that I'm responding to.

Although rather deeply detailed I think Jeff's points are valid. I'm sure with 30 minutes of searching I can find half a dozen current threads where location is important.

One in particular that I'm involved in right now where the OP has been repeatedly asked his location with definite relevance involved. So far he's ignoring the request while still asking for more input. Go figure.....

The only one I can remember recently that location was truly relevant was a thread about an attachment where location only became relevant was when a TBN advertiser was pitching one of their (IMO overpriced) implements after posting they had to post a follow up stating that they did not ship to the OP's location...

Like I previously stated...99.9% of the time if location is logically germane it is supplied in the OP or subsequent posts...

Not familiar with the thread but I would guess that the OP does not deem the location relevant...or the information they are seeking is not relevant...

hypothetically...(much of Jeff's argument is WX related) but when a member asks a question say about burying a water line ...even with a location given...a responder is likely to ask what the depth of the freeze line is rather than look it up for themselves based on the given location profile...

Being curious is human nature...I think it is more likely a member is more interested in another members location for demographic/philosophical reasons rather than actual relevance to the query...

 

[Jchonline]

I am with Jeff. I have seen many, many examples of location helping an OP zero in on a more informed decision. Is it necessary? No. Will the OP likely get better input if it is provided (at least state and closest city center) yes. Many examples of TBNers helping someone not as internet savy locate dealers in their areas. Lots of local craigslist and tractorhouse searches by TBNers that help folks get a better estimate for used value. Others TBNers notice they live close to an OP and can provide very detailed information (which might otherwise be unknown to OP) about soil conditions, use of certain implements in the area, and which dealers are good to work with.

When I originally posted, I not only included my city/state, but also my altitude. I got lots of great feedback, and actually met 2 local CO folks that helped me tremendously. Sorry, but to me it was invaluable to share.

The other day someone posted about Tyler, TX (just bought 6 acres there...thinking of a ZT or small CUT). My father lives in Tyler so I immediately knew the soil conditions (sandy loam) and that cows in the area always rut up the pasture. I would not have a ZT for mowing pasture in Tyler...just too dusty and bumpy.

Sorry but I think it is important if you want the best possible input from fellow TBNers. Now if you don't want to share, you certainly don't have to. I don't want everyone to think they must post it. We all have our reasons.

 

[Jchonline]

So, what? You've been in some stores. I've been to 49 states for one reason or another, mostly in rural or tourist areas. Doesn't make me think I know the soil content or how someone might use a tractor.

Mayhap, but there might be the one person on the forums (Maybe even you Diggin It) that knows the exact conditions if an OP posts their location.

Check this one out. This was a fantastic example of how location matters. There are 3 or 4 TBNers from the same area in Washington that are helping this guy with a number of questions. Lots of location specific info being taken into consideration.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/405988-40-acres-steep-1-mile.html

 

[jeff9366]

ADDITION TO POST #1​

USED TRACTORS - When the OP posts a location OP may be informed of used tractors nearby or provided local tractor listings from Craig's List, eBay, TractorHouse, Machinery Peter or other sites.

I had a police officer in Tampa buy a tractor from my local Kubota dealer after I provided a line on a primo condition Kubota L3240. Tampa to Fanning Springs = 125 miles.

 

[/pine]

I traveled thirty states in the wine business for thirty years. Visited most other states incidentally except the northern tier in the east. There are few cities of 50,000 or more population where I have not sold wine account to account or surveyed stores as the guest of a distributor sales person.

Plenty of time to discuss the local economy and look over the area during visits. I will ever remember the day a sales woman arranged a tasting of sixteen brands of Lebanon Bologna for me in Lebanon, Pennsylvania.

LMAO...this is so off the wall and irrelevant it's funny...!

Now if you said you personally grew grapes in 30 different states for 30 years...

Also...do you really think you've gleaned a world of information about soil types, implement prices etc., etc...peddling wine in the city limits of 50k or more people?...

 

[/pine]

Mayhap, but there might be the one person on the forums (Maybe even you Diggin It) that knows the exact conditions if an OP posts their location.

Check this one out. This was a fantastic example of how location matters. There are 3 or 4 TBNers from the same area in Washington that are helping this guy with a number of questions. Lots of location specific info being taken into consideration.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/405988-40-acres-steep-1-mile.html

Not even close...the OP gives the location in the first sentence...and exact location is hardly germane to the questions posed...Geeze!

 

[ovrszd]

I see absolutely no use for any to post a location unless they simply choose to. Perhaps there should be a rule prohibiting asking, especially more than once?

This is a good one.

I was in a conversation with you about a specific geographic location situation. You were very opinionated about the subject. I asked where you were located thinking maybe you were directly affected. Your reply was "Why are you going to come and visit me?"

Very mature.

So now I pay little attention to your comments in regards to anything involving location. To quote a great movie line "this is how he wants it. So this is how he gets it."

 

[ovrszd]

The only one I can remember recently that location was truly relevant was a thread about an attachment where location only became relevant was when a TBN advertiser was pitching one of their (IMO overpriced) implements after posting they had to post a follow up stating that they did not ship to the OP's location...

Like I previously stated...99.9% of the time if location is logically germane it is supplied in the OP or subsequent posts...

Not familiar with the thread but I would guess that the OP does not deem the location relevant...or the information they are seeking is not relevant...

hypothetically...(much of Jeff's argument is WX related) but when a member asks a question say about burying a water line ...even with a location given...a responder is likely to ask what the depth of the freeze line is rather than look it up for themselves based on the given location profile...

Being curious is human nature...I think it is more likely a member is more interested in another members location for demographic/philosophical reasons rather than actual relevance to the query...

I think you think not divulging your location gives you a sense of aloofness. Is that a word?

So I put you with Diggin It. Your responses often lack merit because of unknown location.

See above movie line.

 

[Thomas]

I would be nice some sort of indication just a lot of different personalities.

 

[/pine]

I think you think not divulging your location gives you a sense of aloofness. Is that a word?

So I put you with Diggin It. Your responses often lack merit because of unknown location.

See above movie line.

Please explain the rationale of thinking that because a member's profile does not reveal a physical location their missives have no merit?...just curious

 

[ovrszd]

Please explain the rationale of thinking that because a member's profile does not reveal a physical location their missives have no merit?...just curious

I knew that would require explaining for you. Let's see if I can simplify it for you......

Assume you don't know my location....

"I'm looking to purchase a used 50hp 4wd gear drive low hours JD tractor. What would be a reasonable cost to start with?