Sticking hydro pedal

[Fuggley]

BTW- the tractor is about ten years old with only 394 hours on it. It has been used mostly for brushing....The sticking pedal is no minor issue as it is a serious safety issue, as you seem to know. Any suggestions?

Isn't the CK25 you have equipped with a rocker pedal? If so, you are probably using the pedal wrong. There is no need to let the pedal self center... the heel-toe action of your boot gives you complete forward/neutral/reverse control of engagement.

 

[Coyote machine]

They would have been scared of me if someone would have gotten hurt because of the hydro pedal sticking. I forget to say in the other post that it was a Bobcat hydraulics engineer that was concerned when he saw the video.



I'm not half bottle. I never had a Kioti, I had a Bobcat.

My bad. You posted quoting halfbottle's statement saying: "I did get rid of it...." seems to follow that you were referring to halfbottle's Kioti, not your own problematic Bobcat.
And I'm sure Kioti or Bobcat fears you're promise to do something if someone were to get hurt because of a stuck pedal issue.
BTW, that's why there are warranties on things like tractors- so the owner/operator can get it repaired while under warranty. It's a SHARED responsibility, not just on the manufacturer.

 

[Coyote machine]

BTW- the tractor is about ten years old with only 394 hours on it. It has been used mostly for brushing and a lot of that on hillsides which I can't get up anymore due to lack of power. Lots of hard back and forth mowing of blackberries, works the tractor hard. Great machine for the first 250 hours, now not so good. Many electrical problems, even though it is stored inside and maintained religiously. I spent this weekend going over the wiring system with De-oxit and dielectric grease and the digi volt-ohm meter, replaced a relay, cleaned up all the contacts. I am an engineering geologist working in design in the earth moving and mining industries and have been operating heavy equipment since I was 9, bought the Kioti because of its specs, particularly the wt/pwr ratio. In my world 394 hrs is still supposed to be a relatively new piece of equipment. I have not pressure tested the hydraulic systems yet, are there perhaps some internal filters, screens or orifices that could be plugging, if so, where? I have the shop manual but it is less than great. Bucket and cylinders are drifting, a joystick plate issue? One great thing about the tractor though, it came with a Kirkland (Costco) battery that still puts out 13.74 volts after 10 years, pretty amazing (kept on a battery maintenance device with a ground disconnect switch). The sticking pedal is no minor issue as it is a serious safety issue, as you seem to know. Any suggestions?

Testing your hydraulic pressures is a good idea, it could help find the problem with your machine. After all, you have to start somewhere to fix it. And if you like the machine, even though it is off warranty, it's definitely worth fixing, no?
If you do the testing or need further info on what pressures to seek out I'm confident that TBN's Team Kioti guy can help you find the needed solutions.
We don't give up on things like this. I know I wouldn't want to settle for a low to no useability tractor. I suspect your experience with machines is similar- you'd like it to work the way it's supposed to.
I believe it can.

Oh, and as for dealers standing behind their products, mine folded, "too many warranty issues" the stated reason when I finally chased him down. But for some reason I still like this machine it must be that pwr/wt ratio which attracted me in the first place. Also, I am Halfbottle, not 94BULLITT. We seem to have had similar problems with our tractors.

Sorry about the confusion- since your issues and his are as you said, similar, I got misled as to who owned what.

 

[Steve_Miller]

Geez, some of you get all bent out of shape over this, why? My 2007 CK30 has the sticking hydro pedal as well, dealer took it in and put a new centering device on mine. Never cured the problem a bit, still does it, i'll live with it. They are a few others that had the same issue that I assume are living with it. Bobcat did put a recall out about the sticking hydro pedal but Kioti never did. My tractor showed the symptoms of a faulty hydro unit but it wasn't enough of an issue for me to pursue and still isn't, besides it was just out of warranty when it started. If it sticks just push the pedal back. It usually only sticks when under a load, not good but no biggie to me. I'd post the recall but it won't download a .pdf file as a picture. Just absorb the info and move on.

Steve

 

[kiotiken]

I said it before, I'll say it again, the only way to fix the problem is to replace the hst. A million bottles of grease isn't going to help. There are two hydraulic ports under the floor runner. Test the pressure, it will be low. Kioti knows all about it, my dealers replaced 4 hst's that I know of, including mine. Kioti paid them to do each one of them under warranty and never asked for the old units back. Tells me they have plenty of bad ones to test. I haven't heard of this issue on newer machines. I'm betting they fixed the issue but won't do a recall because its too expensive.

And yes, as many of you know, I got rid of my ck30, bought a DK45 hst and I've never had an issue with it again.

 

[Coyote machine]

BTW- the tractor is about ten years old with only 394 hours on it. It has been used mostly for brushing and a lot of that on hillsides which I can't get up anymore due to lack of power. Lots of hard back and forth mowing of blackberries, works the tractor hard. Great machine for the first 250 hours, now not so good. Many electrical problems, even though it is stored inside and maintained religiously. I spent this weekend going over the wiring system with De-oxit and dielectric grease and the digi volt-ohm meter, replaced a relay, cleaned up all the contacts. I am an engineering geologist working in design in the earth moving and mining industries and have been operating heavy equipment since I was 9, bought the Kioti because of its specs, particularly the wt/pwr ratio. In my world 394 hrs is still supposed to be a relatively new piece of equipment. I have not pressure tested the hydraulic systems yet, are there perhaps some internal filters, screens or orifices that could be plugging, if so, where? I have the shop manual but it is less than great. Bucket and cylinders are drifting, a joystick plate issue? One great thing about the tractor though, it came with a Kirkland (Costco) battery that still puts out 13.74 volts after 10 years, pretty amazing (kept on a battery maintenance device with a ground disconnect switch). The sticking pedal is no minor issue as it is a serious safety issue, as you seem to know. Any suggestions?

I said it before, I'll say it again, the only way to fix the problem is to replace the hst. A million bottles of grease isn't going to help. There are two hydraulic ports under the floor runner. Test the pressure, it will be low. Kioti knows all about it, my dealers replaced 4 hst's that I know of, including mine. Kioti paid them to do each one of them under warranty and never asked for the old units back. Tells me they have plenty of bad ones to test. I haven't heard of this issue on newer machines. I'm betting they fixed the issue but won't do a recall because its too expensive.

And yes, as many of you know, I got rid of my ck30, bought a DK45 hst and I've never had an issue with it again.

KK is one of those situations that the Team Kioti guys would not let go of. We worked with him to make a good outcome; which in his case ended up being a better suited size Kioti for his tasks at hand.
He's not wrong either about some of the sticking hydro pedal customers can do nothing but replace the HST to solve the problem once and for all.
This might be your best bet too, halfbottle, after testing the ports KK mentioned.....

Glad to hear you're still enjoying trouble free DK series life KK. :thumbsup:

 

[halfbottle]

Isn't the CK25 you have equipped with a rocker pedal? If so, you are probably using the pedal wrong. There is no need to let the pedal self center... the heel-toe action of your boot gives you complete forward/neutral/reverse control of engagement.

Yea, I understand, pretty simple, press down with the heal or the toe, not a difficult concept. Like I said, I've been operating it for 394+ hours.

 

[halfbottle]

KK is one of those situations that the Team Kioti guys would not let go of. We worked with him to make a good outcome; which in his case ended up being a better suited size Kioti for his tasks at hand.
He's not wrong either about some of the sticking hydro pedal customers can do nothing but replace the HST to solve the problem once and for all.
This might be your best bet too, halfbottle, after testing the ports KK mentioned.....

Glad to hear you're still enjoying trouble free DK series life KK. :thumbsup:

Well, the deal is this: A piece of equipment that is supposed to be designed for a few thousand hours of operation without failure of major components fails with with a few hundred hours on it and dealers are bailing out because of a product that they can't stand behind. Not good for a manufacturers reputation. They probably have identified and corrected the flaw in the design of the earlier HST models like mine but that still leaves me with a tractor that I can either spend thousands of dollars fixing, or trade it in at a loss of thousands of dollars, or pass it on to some poor schmuck which I will not do, or get injured one day driving it in it's present condition. We need a legal remedy for dangerous off-road equipment designs. Kioti should simply recognize that they have a responsibility to protect their customers from their design flaws when safety issues are a result of those poor designs. On a positive note I was able to fix the electrical problems over the weekend with contact cleaner, De-oxit, and dielectric grease (many connectors and much time). But it is time to put a new battery in it. Kioti is still the only compact tractor I know of that has serious weight to power which means it won't just sit there and spin the wheels like the many others. Balancing weight and power is fundamental to good design in earth moving equipment. I still like the brand but Kioti seems to be willing to take the hit to their reputation that goes with not standing behind their product in this case. Too bad, glad that the Cat equipment I work around on job sites has the continued support of the company or I'd be dead already.

 

[halfbottle]

Geez, some of you get all bent out of shape over this, why? My 2007 CK30 has the sticking hydro pedal as well, dealer took it in and put a new centering device on mine. Never cured the problem a bit, still does it, i'll live with it. They are a few others that had the same issue that I assume are living with it. Bobcat did put a recall out about the sticking hydro pedal but Kioti never did. My tractor showed the symptoms of a faulty hydro unit but it wasn't enough of an issue for me to pursue and still isn't, besides it was just out of warranty when it started. If it sticks just push the pedal back. It usually only sticks when under a load, not good but no biggie to me. I'd post the recall but it won't download a .pdf file as a picture. Just absorb the info and move on.

Steve

Well Steve, that is all fine and good until you are in a situation that demands the machine decelerate by simply removing your foot from the pedal, it is a SAFETY issue.

 

[halfbottle]

I said it before, I'll say it again, the only way to fix the problem is to replace the hst. A million bottles of grease isn't going to help. There are two hydraulic ports under the floor runner. Test the pressure, it will be low. Kioti knows all about it, my dealers replaced 4 hst's that I know of, including mine. Kioti paid them to do each one of them under warranty and never asked for the old units back. Tells me they have plenty of bad ones to test. I haven't heard of this issue on newer machines. I'm betting they fixed the issue but won't do a recall because its too expensive.

And yes, as many of you know, I got rid of my ck30, bought a DK45 hst and I've never had an issue with it again.

You seem to be the only one on this forum that truly understands and is not emotional about their ownership of the brand. As for me I'll stand behind any product that is good or has good dealer support. Unfortunately, I can't say either of these have been true with MY Kioti. I am glad that your new Kioti is working well for you.