Sticking hydro pedal

[94BULLITT]

Highbeam, I absolutely agree and use my parking break all the time. The safety issue comes when you're using the tractor and it doesn't stop as you would expect. That alone is an issue, but so is an over compensating when you hit reverse too hard to stop it. Mine got so bad it became difficult to control properly and would continue as if your foot was to the floor for 20-30 feet before it would even think about slowing down. I'm betting it would have continued creeping 600 ft + before stopping altogether, if it ever did.

Being aware of the issue means it's probably not going to lead to an accident, but with other people using the tractor or using the tractor with kids around, I wasn't willing to take even the slightest risk. Being covered by warranty probably helped my resolve and I'm not sure what I would have done if my dealer told me I had to pay $3000 fix the problem and it wasn't covered.

How many hours have you put on your tractor since it was fixed?

 

[kiotiken]

My tractor shuts off if you get off with out the parking break locked. I also always lower the loader and the 3 point hitch if the implement is attached with the parking brake locked.

Wow, I didn't know about that difference with the Bobcat version, either mine is broken :thumbsup: or Kioti doesn't have a dead man switch. For safety, it's a good thing, but it would have been one of the first mods I would have made if I had one.

 

[ritcheyvs]

I guess that's one positive for my manual shuttle gearbox: If I put any of the three shifters in neutral, it's really in neutral.

 

[Highbeam]

Wow, I think most of us that have had pedal issues are not having the pedal stick at full speed ahead. That is more serious. Rather, the pedal is not getting perfectly in neutral and then will keep moving or creeping ahead instead of a dead stop. I would prefer that the machine be stopped when the pedal isn't being pushed forward or back but I do not see the creep as a failure of anything. You'll notice that the controls show R-N-F not R-P-F, the neutral position is not a parked position.

If you want the machine to stay put, then apply the controls designed to make the tractor stay put.

Runaway tractors are unsafe and Ken's machine needed to be fixed.

 

[halfbottle]

My Kioti CK25HST pedal was extremely stiff and would not return to center. The dealer suggested I spray penetrating oil on the pedal shaft where it enters tranny housing and work it back and forth over the course of a day. This has worked but the pedal is still a little stiff and does not want to freely return to center/neutral position. I will continue to work some more oil into it. BTW- this problem seemed to develop while the tractor sat unused over the winter, rust/dirt/moisture is the likely culprit.

 

[Pierrepont]

Any updates on this problem? Did the lubricant fix work?

My friend started to notice this problem today. Before buying parts I suggested we check with you all.

Thanks.

 

[94BULLITT]

Any updates on this problem? Did the lubricant fix work?

My friend started to notice this problem today. Before buying parts I suggested we check with you all.

Thanks.

The fix for me was another tractor. Bobcat replaced the pedal dampner 2 times, adjusted the pedal, lubed It numerous times, cleaned the neutral springs, replaced the neutral springs with a set out of a new tractor of the showroom floor and they cut the hydro filter apart and did a oil analysis. None of that helped and the oil analysis came back okay. They wanted to replace the hydro with one that was just like the one in the tractor. They could not tell me what in the hydro was causing the problem. If they would have I could have told me what was wrong with the hydro I would have done it.

There is also a ways to check the oil in the pedal dampner but I don't know how and it is not mentioned in the owners manual.

 

[bubbu55]

I own a 08 Kioti CK35. I wrote in the forum on this subject a few months ago. So I took the advice of one member and tried spraying lube on the shaft leading into the tranny, but that didn't do anything. I'm starting to think this should be a recall issue, obviously this is far from a isolated issue. my tractor creeps forward when I let off on the pedal, but comes back normally in reverse. How much did it cost you guys that replaced the HST. This is a problem that I have not found a solution to and I would hate to dish out the cash to fix the HST.

 

[94BULLITT]

I own a 08 Kioti CK35. I wrote in the forum on this subject a few months ago. So I took the advice of one member and tried spraying lube on the shaft leading into the tranny, but that didn't do anything. I'm starting to think this should be a recall issue, obviously this is far from a isolated issue. my tractor creeps forward when I let off on the pedal, but comes back normally in reverse. How much did it cost you guys that replaced the HST. This is a problem that I have not found a solution to and I would hate to dish out the cash to fix the HST.

It is around $4, 000 to replace the hydro.

 

[bubbu55]

That's alot of money to fix a problem that I feel is Kioti's problem. To many tractors out there with this issue. Have not received any notices from Kioti yet.

 

[kiotiken]

That's alot of money to fix a problem that I feel is Kioti's problem. To many tractors out there with this issue. Have not received any notices from Kioti yet.

I was told it was about a $3K part plus labour which involves splitting the tractor. Prices are always a little higher on this side of the boarder, but $4K sounds about right. My dealer has done several of these and even had to do one machine twice.

I agree there's something going on with the HST on these tractors and I think there should be a recall or program to address them. Make sure Kioti knows your concerns and there are plenty of people with the same issue. I think they already know about it and won't do anything about it until more people complain. My dealer said they have a bunch of hst's that they replaced sitting in the shop. Kioti told them not to open them up to try and fix them but has never asked for them to be shipped back.

I don't think it's fixable without replacing the hst and that doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to do, especially when they're just going to put the same hst in it again. I think you live with it or you trade it. This is Kioti's version of the jerky hitch issue, for all the talk and complaining about it, owners are going to have to accept it's just part of that tractor.

 

[bubbu55]

Well I suppose we as owners should raise He]], we should not have to just accept that this is how it is. Kioti should make good on their product or that could be very bad for business. However, I am assuming this is their issue but can't prove it. Everybody with this problem should contact Kioti about this. I don't mean their dealers I mean the main office, wherever that is. I would have to look up where they are located.

 

[Pierrepont]

I'm surprised at how common this problem seems to be. I'm also surprised that Kioti hasn't stepped-up and done a recall. There are US government agencies that get involved with defective consumer product and auto recalls. Any agency cover tractors?

Similar Bobcats don't seem to have this sticky hydro pedal problem discussed with this level of passion. Different hydro maybe?

What part of the hydro is defective?

 

[kiotiken]

I'm surprised at how common this problem seems to be. I'm also surprised that Kioti hasn't stepped-up and done a recall. There are US government agencies that get involved with defective consumer product and auto recalls. Any agency cover tractors?

Similar Bobcats don't seem to have this sticky hydro pedal problem discussed with this level of passion. Different hydro maybe?

What part of the hydro is defective?

I'm not sure I agree. There are lots of Bobcat threads (this one included) about the issue. Somebody even posted the Bobcat service bulletin about it.

 

[maximus1277]

If North Koreans cross the border, our sticking hydros will not be a big worry for us. Sorry, just wanted to interject a bit of reality into this thread.

 

[Pierrepont]

I appreciate your response. I'll look for that service bulletin, important reading.
When operating the tractor with a sticky pedal, will it damage the equipment to just hit the reverse side of the pedal when stuck in forward.

 

[94BULLITT]

I'm not sure I agree. There are lots of Bobcat threads (this one included) about the issue. Somebody even posted the Bobcat service bulletin about it.

I posted a few things from Bobcat on the issue.

 

[kiotiken]

I appreciate your response. I'll look for that service bulletin, important reading.
When operating the tractor with a sticky pedal, will it damage the equipment to just hit the reverse side of the pedal when stuck in forward.

Not as much as running into you house will! It wont damage the tractor at all, its just a little dangerous, especially with kids around. my shed still has a few wounds from my sticky pedal, its hard to get super close with out the odd little bump.

 

[94BULLITT]

Mine stuck in high range full speed ahead when I went to stop at the end of my driveway. That was the 1st time I remember it doing it. I pulled the pedal back with my foot.

 

[krazsk]

I believe that sticking hydro pedals will be a bigger problem than North Koreans. A sticky pedal actually affects ME.