Starting your tractor in the winter.

[Guesseral]

Ok I have 3xx hours on my 2009 tractor and I have never used any kind of anything in my fuel, mostly use red #2 but occasionally use road diesel. I was never told to use anything in my fuel in the winter it is in the garage so I wasn't worried about gelling its always around 40 in there. Do you mean to tell me that I need something in my fuel for lubricant? What needs lubricated other than the engine oil? This is my first diesel so I am not stupid just dumb!:confused3:

 

[RoyJackson]

Ok I have 3xx hours on my 2009 tractor and I have never used any kind of anything in my fuel, mostly use red #2 but occasionally use road diesel. I was never told to use anything in my fuel in the winter it is in the garage so I wasn't worried about gelling its always around 40 in there. Do you mean to tell me that I need something in my fuel for lubricant? What needs lubricated other than the engine oil? This is my first diesel so I am not stupid just dumb!:confused3:

Here's one forum thread discussing upper cylinder lubricity:
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place : Chevrolet and GMC Diesel Truck Forums

If you google this query:
Diesel Engine upper cylinder lubricity
you'll get a number of links to read. Do take the advertising links with a grain of salt.

As I'd written in a previous post...I use Power Service.My tractor, a 2000 Deere 4400, is a bit older and I have read of Deeres of that generation having upper cylinder problems that have been attributed to ULSD.
Now, I'm sure this is not isolated to Deere...it's just I read more Deere threads then any other brand.

 

[DeereMann]

Fuel pump lubricity is to minimize wear, and is a function of usage time. The fuel pump manufacturers felt strongly enough about it to demand a 460 mm 4 ball wear scar maximum, compared to API's 520 mm.

Now - when is the mean time to failure? I don't know, have not seen it. But I suspect it is meant for long use engine applications such as over-the-road class 8 truck diesels that last a million miles, not our little tractors that barely get a thousand or two hours (40mph avg x 1,000 hours ~ 40,000 miles per 1,000 hours run time). So, maybe it doesn't matter as much to us.

But - considering the fuel injection system is the most expensive part of any diesel engine by far, is it worth it to save 50 cents per fueling?

Not to me.

 

[Guesseral]

I wasn't trying to save money, I am just ignorant to things diesel. Gas engines I got covered built, rebuild, torn down you name it, just don't know squat about diesels.

 

[RoyJackson]

I wasn't trying to save money, I am just ignorant to things diesel. Gas engines I got covered built, rebuild, torn down you name it, just don't know squat about diesels.

Don't take forum responses too seriously...
TBN is a good place to learn some things about diesels, but you will get more opinion then fact...

 

[Guesseral]

Don't take forum responses too seriously...
TBN is a good place to learn some things about diesels, but you will get more opinion then fact...

I wasn't. I don't take much too seriously anymore, like I said just diesel ignorant.

 

[Jkott]

Any idea why they would say on the link to their white bottle that it is only for temps below 30F? They just trying to sell the silver bottle?

If you are on their website, they have a FAQ tab as well. They say the white bottle is safe to use year round, but the silver bottle has more Cretans boost and more detergents.

If you don't need the anti gel properties of the white bottle, then the silver bottle is a better product. If you do need the white bottle, then it does have everything you need.

 

[DarkBlack]

They did - but - not enough per EMA (Engine Manufacturers) requirements. API spec'd 520mm 4 ball wear test max scar depth, EMA spec'd 460 per fuel injection pump manufacturers. So.......fuel suppliers aren't gonna add any more cost than they're required to, hence always use a lubricity supplement.

I'm guessing you meant to say "um" not "mm". 520mm is almost 2 '

 

[DarkBlack]

Don't take forum responses too seriously...
TBN is a good place to learn some things about diesels, but you will get more opinion then fact...

I think I'll use your advice on one of your own...:laughing:

Here's one forum thread discussing upper cylinder lubricity:
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place : Chevrolet and GMC Diesel Truck Forums

If you google this query:
Diesel Engine upper cylinder lubricity
you'll get a number of links to read. Do take the advertising links with a grain of salt.

As I'd written in a previous post...I use Power Service.My tractor, a 2000 Deere 4400, is a bit older and I have read of Deeres of that generation having upper cylinder problems that have been attributed to ULSD.
Now, I'm sure this is not isolated to Deere...it's just I read more Deere threads then any other brand.

All my engines- diesel, gas, propane... are brand name, well designed engines, and they rely on crankcase oil to lubricate the upper cylinder area.
That's why I don't need to buy snake oil additives.
Even a good older design uses crankcase oil to lubricate the upper cylinder

 

[TomSeller]

If you are on their website, they have a FAQ tab as well. They say the white bottle is safe to use year round, but the silver bottle has more Cretans boost and more detergents.

If you don't need the anti gel properties of the white bottle, then the silver bottle is a better product. If you do need the white bottle, then it does have everything you need.

Historically I used the silver but accidentally grabbed a white jug once last year and just stayed with it into the winter. I thought it odd the website conflicts with the labeling on the jug