SS and retirement question

/ SS and retirement question #21  
Retirement at age 62 would reduce full retirement benefits by 30%. Thus, every $1 in SS at full retirement at 67 equates to $0.70 in SS if retiring at 62. SS at full retirement would then be $15K/.7 = $21,429 -- a difference of $6,429/year. Dividing $75,000 by $6,429/year gives 12 years (rounded). Thus the break even age would be 79 (rounded).

SS benefits are adjusted for inflation (by the annual COLA).

Steve

Yep. When I did the math, 80 was break even year. I am generally healthy. I live a somewhat dangerous life in the sense of what I do in my daily work at our farm. I.e., I'm at risk of tipping my tractor over or falling a tree on myself or some other seemingly miniscule event. I figure, at 80 I won't pay much attention to what monetary gain I would have experienced if I waited.....
 
/ SS and retirement question #22  
I think you have a pretty 'healthy' way of looking at it. It's what the wife and I are pondering too. take SS as soon as it is available. waiting gives you more $.. but you have to live a good bit to hit that break even mark. if you die befor ethat break even mark.. then that extra waiting didn't do you much good. given the averae age men die. i'm taking 62 :)

This issue of when to take benefits has some gray areas when deciding.

If you collect the reduced benefit from 62 to 67 (5 years) and your benefit is $15,000 per year you are at that point $75,000 ahead.

At 67 the full benefit is 30% higher. So now you make an extra $4500 per year and it will take over 17 years to be ahead of the game. If the decreased value of the money (inflation) and possible interest on the early money is factored in it would likely add at least another year. You will be at least 84 before you are ahead of the game.

I started collecting at 62 as I feel that if I make it to 84, my desire to do some of the things we now enjoy will likely be diminished. Most people I know in that age group are not big spenders.

What seemed right for us may not be the best for others. I'm now 65 and am satisfied with our choice. Until I make it to beyond 84 I won't know how it looks from that end.

My philosophy for finances in retirement....If we stay healthy we'll do just fine....and if the health goes the money doesn't really help. (I do have medical insurance)

Loren
 
/ SS and retirement question #23  
I also took mine at 62,seen to many that didn't collect a penny.
I think you have a pretty 'healthy' way of looking at it. It's what the wife and I are pondering too. take SS as soon as it is available. waiting gives you more $.. but you have to live a good bit to hit that break even mark. if you die befor ethat break even mark.. then that extra waiting didn't do you much good. given the averae age men die. i'm taking 62 :)
 
/ SS and retirement question #24  
/ SS and retirement question #25  
When one takes SS is a personal issue based on financial situation and health. If both are good, the 8% increase in benefits each year one defers SS is a darn good "return on investment". If neither or both are poor, take the money at 62 and enjoy it. For me, so far, so good......and both my wife and I fully vested in SS albeit at different income levels. My wife took SS at 62, as she had cut back from full time to part-time work and the penalty on extra income was modest in that setting (if you've decent earned income, taking SS early is nuts). As I reach full retirement age (66) next month, I've filed for benefits then deferred (see post by Depmandog - he's fully correct) payments cause (God willing) I'm going for 72 and the maximum amount. Anyhow, at 66 I can, and have, claimed the 50% benefit on my wife's SS check....so, a little coming my way from SS regardless and with no penalty. When I hit 72 (again, God willing), I'll file for the max. benefit. When I expire, which statistically I will prior to my wife, she will get my benefit level that at present would be about 150% more than she collects from SS now.
And, y'all are quite right, SS regs are complex. I sorted most out via a net search, but an e-mail exchange with a local SS rep (they prefer not having folks clog up their office so take questions via e-mail once they know you'll show up at their office otherwise) clarified a few points, and I encourage y'all to pursue similar.
 
/ SS and retirement question #26  
I find these threads on retirement options to be very educational... I'm nowhere close so it gives me planning ideas. :thumbsup:
 
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#27  
Cisco, you answered me question! Thanks! You said ye wife already took at 62 and now you're applying for her 50% of yours! So, she won't be penalized on the 50% because she took her own early! Great!! Me wife's working days just might be over very soon! Can't wait to tell her...

I love email contact for questions, so I'll have to see if me local people will give me their email address.

Jst, ye're smart to begin ye retirement planning if ye're still young! You'll do good.

Oh, y'all boys who take at 62, wha' ye do for health insurance? Ye wife still working and ye on hers?
 
/ SS and retirement question #28  
Cisco, you answered me question! Thanks! You said ye wife already took at 62 and now you're applying for her 50% of yours! So, she won't be penalized on the 50% because she took her own early! Great!! Me wife's working days just might be over very soon! Can't wait to tell her...

I love email contact for questions, so I'll have to see if me local people will give me their email address.

Jst, ye're smart to begin ye retirement planning if ye're still young! You'll do good.

Oh, y'all boys who take at 62, wha' ye do for health insurance? Ye wife still working and ye on hers?

Oh I'm not young by any means... I wish you guys had posted all of this about 35 years ago! ;) I still have another ten years or so though... provided my health holds out.
 
/ SS and retirement question #31  
If you enjoy financial economics (and who doesn't?;)), here's an interesting article that treats the option to start SS benefits before age 70 (age of maximum benefits) as a real call option: Delaying Social Security benefits: A real options perspective - Glenn Daily.

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Steve
 
/ SS and retirement question #32  
Great info guys, I'm seven years away from 62, and that's when I, and the wife will retire from our "other" jobs ;) I'm fortunate to have worked long term for a large company that will pay me a pension. Wife used to work for a company that payed a pension, but she was laid off with 13 years of vested service. Good for about $500 a month, but hey, every little bit helps. We also have a pretty good amount in our 401k accounts, so all that, plus what we get from SS should set us up pretty good. Oh yeah, and we will be completely debt free, house and all which any retirement planner will tell you is important. Thanks be to the good Lord I'm still healthy, so want to start as early as I can. I can't wait!!
 
/ SS and retirement question #33  
Oh, y'all boys who take at 62, wha' ye do for health insurance? Ye wife still working and ye on hers?

Medical insurance is an important issue that has received too little attention in this thread.

I retired at age 60 and continued to receive coverage (for me and my wife) through my former employer's medical insurance plan for the same monthly premium that I paid while employed. At age 65, Medicare became my primary insurer and my former employer's plan became my secondary insurer for the same monthly premium.

Medical insurance was not a factor in my decision to start drawing SS at age 62, but it may be a major factor for some (many?).

Steve
 
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#34  
Yep, I'm sure the medical insurance issue is why many have to wait until at least 65. I'm already 65 and on Medicare and have great insurance too, so that's not an issue for me.

Funny timing, but just yesterday I attended a colleague's retirement banquet! He's 66, and actually retired December he said. Unless he had a big inheritance, we're about in the same financial boat since his income, etc. was same as mine. Well, I reckon if he can do it, I can too. Only thing is my work is so much at my own pace, and me wife loves what she does so much, it's no problem for us to keep on a while longer!
 
/ SS and retirement question #35  
I got a lot of satisfaction out of my work as well. Took me about 3 months to get over that. 30 months in I cannot imagine getting up tomorrow morning and going to work. The absolute best part of my day is when I first get up each morning and realize I will do today exactly what I want to do today. And that plan is always subject to change. :)
 
/ SS and retirement question #36  
I got a lot of satisfaction out of my work as well. Took me about 3 months to get over that. 30 months in I cannot imagine getting up tomorrow morning and going to work. The absolute best part of my day is when I first get up each morning and realize I will do today exactly what I want to do today. And that plan is always subject to change. :)

I was fortunate, VERY fortunate, to have the opportunity to retire at age 51 with a full pension and medical benefits. After nearly 11 1/2 years of doing what I want to do when I want to do it, although I have had to cut corners financially at times, I know I made the right choice. And yes, I began collecting SS last fall at age 62, my grandfather and my dad and my great-grandfather passed away before age 70, and that was a big factor in my decision to retire and collect SS as soon as I could.
 
/ SS and retirement question #37  
I was fortunate, VERY fortunate, to have the opportunity to retire at age 51 with a full pension and medical benefits. After nearly 11 1/2 years of doing what I want to do when I want to do it, although I have had to cut corners financially at times, I know I made the right choice. And yes, I began collecting SS last fall at age 62, my grandfather and my dad and my great-grandfather passed away before age 70, and that was a big factor in my decision to retire and collect SS as soon as I could.

As I settled in to retirement I noticed it changed my attitude. I had to concentrate on that change being a positive rather than a negative. I felt so independent that I thought I can do anything I want anytime I want with no regard to whomever else it affects. I had to reel that feeling in and adjust it to include the feelings of those around me. Now I always consider the affect on others when I choose a path. Must be working out because family and friends seem very happy that I'm retired. So I must have become a better person thru it. Very easy to go the other way....
 
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#38  
ovr, man, that is a great point! Ye retirement attitude! I sometimes find myself just saying wha' I want to say as I get older, but also know that ain't so wise! So I hold back and don't open me mouth so much. Retirement is not ALL about ye lucres.

Boys, do ye research before ye take SS, because it's not so easy to reverse once ye start. I think that IF ye want to wait until 66, ye can start at 65 and 10 months and be considered full age, i.e., 66. So, I've got about 5 more months to go, then I'll apply. Just hope I don't kick off in 6 months.
 
/ SS and retirement question #39  
As I settled in to retirement I noticed it changed my attitude. I had to concentrate on that change being a positive rather than a negative. I felt so independent that I thought I can do anything I want anytime I want with no regard to whomever else it affects. I had to reel that feeling in and adjust it to include the feelings of those around me. Now I always consider the affect on others when I choose a path. Must be working out because family and friends seem very happy that I'm retired. So I must have become a better person thru it. Very easy to go the other way....

I struggled with the same types of things tying to fill the void of daily deadlines and production stats. It took over a year for me to feel comfortable just letting life happen and not be in control of everything around me.
 
/ SS and retirement question #40  
I struggled with the same types of things tying to fill the void of daily deadlines and production stats. It took over a year for me to feel comfortable just letting life happen and not be in control of everything around me.

I spent 40 years in the military with 20 years as a First Sergeant. I was expected to be in control of everything around me. I still tend to be the one in the group that takes charge rather than the one that stands back. But I'm working on it. :)
 

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