Something You realized can do with your tractor...

[deepNdirt]

I 've owned my Ym now for almost 4 years and just this morning I did something with it I never realized I could do, actually never tried it before,
Not that it has anything to do with working the tractor, But I thought I would share it with those of you who might have FEL as well,
My tractor of course has a FEL and I have always been able to bring the front wheels off the ground when needed to inspect the bearings etc,etc, we all know that the rear 3-pnt is gravity down ( no hydraulic pressure ) to force it down therefor cannot lift the rear off the ground, However! if I lock out the hydraulics by turning the knob closed ( the one in front of the seat ) while the box scrape is all the way down I can then curl the front bucket lifting first the front of the tractor and then the rear by about 2 inches providing just enough to service or remove the rear wheels :thumbsup:..
No more need for draging out the ol-floor jack,
who else has stumbled upon things you can do with your tractor?

 

[deepNdirt]

OK.... I'll reveal one more thing I do with my tractor.. just to get the ball rolling Is! to Lift the FEL up level with the height of the ROPS and extend a 16 ft. walk board across from the loader to the ROPS providing a 8ft. high roll around scafolding to reach things around the house rather then having a ladder and moving it about every 3 feet,

 

[winston1]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Just yesterday I had my 3 point concrete mixer on. It is somewhat modified to make it work on my ym2002d. When I operate it I close the stop valve to lock the lift in the top position. I have an auxiliary outlet that I then operate with the 3 point control. Because of a balance situation the lower lift arms will actually kick up when I start the dump procedure. I chain it to the hitch to prevent it from doing that. Said all that to say my lift arms can be raised by hand even though the lift is locked out. I have never heard of a 3 point lift locking from going up, only down.

I like the scaffold idea. Only problem I don't have a roll bar. I do have a home made brush piler that goes on my loader and I attach a platform to that to use as a work scaffold.

 

[joshuabardwell]

However! if I lock out the hydraulics by turning the knob closed ( the one in front of the seat ) while the box scrape is all the way down I can then curl the front bucket lifting first the front of the tractor and then the rear by about 2 inches providing just enough to service or remove the rear wheels

Mr. Safety reminds you to never rely exclusively on hydraulics to hold up a vehicle. The safest thing to do is to insert blocks or jack stands once it is up. Yeah yeah, we've all done it, and yeah yeah, you already knew that, but I just had to say.

 

[joshuabardwell]

I have never heard of a 3 point lift locking from going up, only down.

I never really thought it through, but on my tractor, it says not to operate the 3pt position control when the drop rate valve is all the way closed because it will dead-head the pump. If the lockout was not preventing upward motion, that wouldn't be the case. So I guess it locks on both directions just by closing off all flow to the cylinder.

 

[npalen]

I never really thought it through, but on my tractor, it says not to operate the 3pt position control when the drop rate valve is all the way closed because it will dead-head the pump. If the lockout was not preventing upward motion, that wouldn't be the case. So I guess it locks on both directions just by closing off all flow to the cylinder.

I never figured either that the 3PT could be locked. That might be handy in a case where some tractor weight needs to be temporarily applied to a rear attachment such as a box blade cutting a hard spot.

 

[BC Dave]

a ha!; good idea on the rear lift deepindirt; interesting schaffolding idea; :thumbsup:

I have been using a schaffolding idea with bucket forks; use at you own risk AND I braced the hydraulics; using one pc 2X6ft 5/8 ply + 2 2x4 screwed to outer edges of ply evey 6in stagered; 4 pcs of plummers hanger bent and srewed around bucket forks ( min 2 screws)... good to 5 ft height with bucket fully extended... . Not only that, I ran the forks through framing and lifted ply to where I needed it to sheath a garage; the addition of a railing would be handy too; use at you own risk!

 

[tractchores]

Scaffolding idea is a good one! I sometimes use the FEL to raise my diesel can high enough to use a siphon to fill the tank when its low (annoying new venting caps make it a slow fill without siphoning).

 

[joshuabardwell]

I once used my loader to fix my pigs' waterer. It's a 55-gallon drum with pipe coming out the bottom leading to nipples. It was leaking. With the loader, I could easily put water into the drum and then raise it to see where the leak was coming from. Saved me having to crawl around in the dirt.

 

[clemsonfor]

View attachment 290964Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Said all that to say my lift arms can be raised by hand even though the lift is locked out. I have never heard of a 3 point lift locking from going up, only down.

Winston, i know u know why the arms can be lifted up when there locked, i figured id sasy this for those who dont. its because the shaft that drives the 3pt arms is not connected to the cylinder that lifts them, allowing it to be pulled free but not pushed down against the fluid, holding the pressure. i think its more that the arms are locked, which i think is irrelevant here but because he is lifting the front and the rear is anchored to ground by BB that instead of rotating on rear axle or roling rear a bit i think it just lifts the whole tractor as the curl pushes tractor backwards?

 

[clemsonfor]

folks you cant lock ur 3pt hitch from going up any farther, there is no direct connection to do that. there is a ploating piston in a cyl. to go up it hits the rockshaft to move your arms up, to go down gravity from arms/implement pushes fluid out th valve when lowered. locked unlocked you can still lift arms up if u can lift them and or the implement. dont matter if u got a ford,jd, yanmar, there all that way, unless some of these super new machines are different than tractors have been for 60yrs?

 

[winston1]

Good point clemsonfor, #16 in this 2000 parts drawing is not attached to the piston as you stated. Therefore nothing to hold the lift down. Yanmar Tractor Parts: HYDRAULIC_LIFT

 

[deepNdirt]

somthings holding my lift down, or either the back edge of the scrape is digging into the ground enough to allow the tires to be lifted, I do note by curling the bucket under it back backward on the tractor forcing the bucket edge to dig into the ground, Though I try this without locking the hydraulic and it only pushes the tractor, the tractor also has a floating adjustment lever that is not hooked to anything under the left side of the seat, I've flipped it back and forth at times to see if makes any different, It does seem to have effect on the lift maintaining itself in a position, not sure if this is in conjunction with why it is able to this this,

 

[npalen]

Many years ago, I mounted a coulter blade in lieu of one of the front wheels on my Case 446 (16 HP) very compact utility tractor. My idea was to slit sod for landscaping border. This was not a heavy tractor by any stretch but it sunk the 16" diameter (or thereabouts) blade down to the 5-bolt hub. Will admit that it wasn't the easiest thing in the world to steer but very effective otherwise.

 

[clemsonfor]

DND, so u say without it locked you cant lift the rear in the same way? i would put money on the top of the hydros on the 1700 is the same as the 2000? but if the piston is connected how can one replace the o ring on it? i wonder, maybe you have to diconnect the rock shaft and pull it like a engine piston? seems strange that they have them connected, i know old john deeres are set up just like mine, pretty sure massey and ford are the same as well?

 

[npalen]

Some of the sub-compact tractors use a two way cylinder on the 3PT which allows down pressure on the implements. This is very handy in some situations such as getting a rear blade to cut instead of float. There is a limit though as too much downpressure simply raises the rear tires. I'm surprised that there is not an aftermarket kit of some sort to accomplish 3PT down pressure on larger tractors. Especially with all the rear remotes, TopNtilt etc. "out there" it seems that having down pressure available would be good tool on the tractor. I believe that some 3PT post augers have optional down pressure kits but not sure how that is accomplished.
With that said, I hope this topic eventually will get back on track.

 

[clemsonfor]

The problem with an addon down pressure kit is that the lift is only designed to go one way on tractors designed that way. The back of a yanmar cyl or the other side of the lift piston that normally does not have fluid is open to the hydraulic fluid. What this means is that any fluid on the rear of the piston will just run out the back of the cylinder back into the sump, there is no head to hold pressure and the way its designed there cant be, the rock shaft runs through the middle of the bore on all tractors designed this way, you would have to have a hydro cylinder design with a shaft and wipers and a head on the back to keep pressure on the rear side of it. The only other way to get down pressure is to hook an external hydo cyl onto a roll bar or something up height to create the pressure needed to push down.

Sorry for more of a hijack I just want to try and explain the system better for folks that may not realize how they work.

 

[npalen]

I believe you're correct on external cylinders being required for a double acting 3PT.
Double-Acting Hitch Control EHR - YouTube
This video lists some of the advantages of a double acting 3PT, which I didn't know existed.

 

[Bob77064]

I believe you're correct on external cylinders being required for a double acting 3PT.
Double-Acting Hitch Control EHR - YouTube
This video lists some of the advantages of a double acting 3PT, which I didn't know existed.

Thanks for posting.

 

[California]

I've seen down pressure described as a feature on large tractors and I think on some specialty tractors such as the articulated ones from Italy - but not on the little CUT's we own. As noted it would just lift the rear tires.