Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide

/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #21  
scorpian5 said:
around me you can find the single sided wheel rakes for the price of scrap because nobody uses them. The best feature of a v-wheel rake is that it rakes hay faster than the old fashioned rake.

The speed thing is why we are looking a V's and rotaries. I have one dealer telling me that V's are the way to go and another telling me that rotaries are the best way. Guess I will have to demo both this hay season!
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #22  
CCI said:
A 8 wheel rake will rake a 3' wide windrow. We still put up around 5000 square bales with a New Holland 316 and have no problem with 3' windrow.

So they will go down to around 3'. If that is the case, then the V should work great. We bale with NH 312 which I guess is pretty similar to your 316.
 
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scorpian5 said:
around me you can find the single sided wheel rakes for the price of scrap because nobody uses them. The best feature of a v-wheel rake is that it rakes hay faster than the old fashioned rake.

What's the problem with the single-sided wheel rake?
Hard to use? Lousy windrows? Hay contamination? Too slow? Other?
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #24  
garyfisher123 said:
The speed thing is why we are looking a V's and rotaries. I have one dealer telling me that V's are the way to go and another telling me that rotaries are the best way. Guess I will have to demo both this hay season!
If you want a 18' rotary rake you will pay in the $14,000-18,000 range and a 8 wheel rake sells for $3,100 in our market.
There is no question you would love a large rotary rake but do you want to spend that much money. Depending the brand of the rake you are looking at, there can be some issues with transportation of rotary rakes. The V-Rakes fold up and are easy to transport down the highway.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #25  
What's the problem with the single-sided wheel rake?
Hard to use? Lousy windrows? Hay contamination? Too slow? Other?

I would think the problem with single sided rakes is that it requires at least 2 passes to make one windrow and its not for the too slow part because we rake with our vicon 4 wheel rake faster then the john deere side delivery. Its not that they are hard to use but requires some skill. Not a good idea to have greenhorns using the rake..... however practice makes perfect :p The v - rakes make for much more productivity and faster operation with only one pass instead of 2. They can also make great windrows if you can properly use the rake.
 
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jdeere5205 said:
I would think the problem with single sided rakes is that it requires at least 2 passes to make one windrow and its not for the too slow part because we rake with our vicon 4 wheel rake faster then the john deere side delivery. Its not that they are hard to use but requires some skill. Not a good idea to have greenhorns using the rake..... however practice makes perfect :p The v - rakes make for much more productivity and faster operation with only one pass instead of 2. They can also make great windrows if you can properly use the rake.

I'm confused. Are you saying that with a single sided wheel rake you have to make two passes over the same ground to get a good windrow? Or that you have to make two passes over adjacent swaths, the first going and the second coming, to rake enough hay into a single windrow?
 
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flusher said:
I'm confused. Are you saying that with a single sided wheel rake you have to make two passes over the same ground to get a good windrow? Or that you have to make two passes over adjacent swaths, the first going and the second coming, to rake enough hay into a single windrow?

The four disc wheel rake is basically like any side delivery rake. You rake one swath at a time. If you want to double windrows you need to rake every other swath then turn around and rake the other swath the other direction. This is not a good system as corners are a hassle. But depending on how big of an operation you have it is a cheap alternative. Plus if you have a real heavy first cutting you can rake individual swaths without being forced to double windrows.
 
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Robert_in_NY said:
The four disc wheel rake is basically like any side delivery rake. You rake one swath at a time. If you want to double windrows you need to rake every other swath then turn around and rake the other swath the other direction. This is not a good system as corners are a hassle. But depending on how big of an operation you have it is a cheap alternative. Plus if you have a real heavy first cutting you can rake individual swaths without being forced to double windrows.

Gotcha. Now it's clear. Looks like a V-wheel rake is a real time-saver.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #29  
We changed to a 3 meter Claas rotary rake 3 years ago. We got it from the internet, the Dutch Ebay equivalent.

Most wheel rakes around here are used by hobby farmers who cant figure out how to attach a PTO shaft, and dont have the skills to work around corners with a Vicon 4 wheel rake. They rake the headlands and corners by hand, but this type of hobby farmers have more time on their hands than they can find use for on their hobby farms anyways :p

Bigger hobby farms (like ours) people that have a daytime job and run a farm big enough to break even, but too small to make a living off, all use PTO driven rotary rakes.
smaller rakes from 2.8 to 3.5 meter are cheap because full time farmers need bigger equipment, and the smaller hobby farms only want a 75 Euro (scrap price) wheel rake.

You can make turns and corners with wheel rakes but it requires some skills.
That was not the reason that we changed to rotary: It was because in dry hay, the hay gets blown away on the flat, and when the silage is green and heavy, the rake wobbles over it and makes humps.
When picking up a wheel rake swath of heavy grass with a self loading silage wagon or a baler, when you stop, the machine pulls about 5 meter of swath into its mouth, because the wheel rake winds it up like a rope.

The PTO machine is much more convenient and works also in too dry or too wet grass.

The model of rakes which is common in North America, was sold in Europe only as horse drawn models: When tractors came, these rakes were extinct and forgotten. Everybody used the wheel rake during the 50's and 60's, and when the rotary rakes came in the 70's, most farms used them, and in the 80's all professional farms used them.
 
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Renze said:
We changed to a 3 meter Claas rotary rake 3 years ago. We got it from the internet, the Dutch Ebay equivalent.



The model of rakes which is common in North America, was sold in Europe only as horse drawn models: When tractors came, these rakes were extinct and forgotten. Everybody used the wheel rake during the 50's and 60's, and when the rotary rakes came in the 70's, most farms used them, and in the 80's all professional farms used them.

Thanks for the input.

Rotary rakes are nice, but expensive, even the used ones. Price was the principal reason for considering wheel rakes. And used wheel rakes are more readily available in my area.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #31  
Hi Guys
I second what Renze said. It really depends on the conditions you are working in and what you are making. Wheel rakes are good for dry hay, but when in not quite ready conditions with rain clouds around and a farmer stressing about it being baled before it rains, it can make rope for you.
Down here in Aus, wheel rakes are still big sellers in the dry areas where they only produce hay and straw. In the wetter areas where they make hay and silage, roataries are the only things used.
In Silage, it definitely winds the grass into "Rupunzles hair". Thats my experience anyway and I am sure there will be differing opinions on this, but I hope it helps.
Cheers
 
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Trac-Tech said:
Hi Guys
I second what Renze said. It really depends on the conditions you are working in and what you are making. Wheel rakes are good for dry hay, but when in not quite ready conditions with rain clouds around and a farmer stressing about it being baled before it rains, it can make rope for you.
Down here in Aus, wheel rakes are still big sellers in the dry areas where they only produce hay and straw. In the wetter areas where they make hay and silage, roataries are the only things used.
In Silage, it definitely winds the grass into "Rupunzles hair". Thats my experience anyway and I am sure there will be differing opinions on this, but I hope it helps.
Cheers

Thanks for the input from Down Under.

Here in the North Sacramento Valley rainfall is under 20 inches/year and the humidity generally is less than 50% from April thru Oct when a lot of haying is done. I suppose that's one reason why there are so many wheel rakes around here.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #33  
If you are going to do silage or haylage you will need a PTO driven or Hydraulic driven rake. In the USA, dry hay is 85% of the hay harvested and haylage is 15%. In Europe, it is 75% haylage and 25% dry. That affects the choices of every haytool chosen so that is why you see a different marketing mix of products sold in Europe that those sold in the USA. You will see more haylage raised in the USA now that we have $5 a bushel corn.
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/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #34  
That's a nice Vermeer unit that Mark just posted but I can't imagine it's a cheap one either.:)
 
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CCI said:
If you are going to do silage or haylage you will need a PTO driven or Hydraulic driven rake. In the USA, dry hay is 85% of the hay harvested and haylage is 15%. In Europe, it is 75% haylage and 25% dry. That affects the choices of every haytool chosen so that is why you see a different marketing mix of products sold in Europe that those sold in the USA. You will see more haylage raised in the USA now that we have $5 a bushel corn.
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Thanks for the info.
My interest is strickly dry hay in small square bales.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #36  
I just priced new Sitrex rakes at our local New Holland dealer today.

10-wheel Hi-capacity $8,250
12-wheel Hi-capacity $11,200

10' rotary rake $4,300

We used a Vermeer WRV10 hi-capacity rake for two years in Iowa. I like the rake for its speed and for the fairly good windrow it made. I don't like wheel rakes as a rule sue to the amount of dirt and debris that can be incorporated into the windrow.

The pricing of the Sitrex rotary rake is lower than I thought they would be so it may be an option for our operation. I did find a Vermeer WRV10 in Kansas that looks really nice though......

Jim
 
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Lazy J said:
I just priced new Sitrex rakes at our local New Holland dealer today.

10-wheel Hi-capacity $8,250
12-wheel Hi-capacity $11,200

10' rotary rake $4,300

We used a Vermeer WRV10 hi-capacity rake for two years in Iowa. I like the rake for its speed and for the fairly good windrow it made. I don't like wheel rakes as a rule sue to the amount of dirt and debris that can be incorporated into the windrow.

The pricing of the Sitrex rotary rake is lower than I thought they would be so it may be an option for our operation. I did find a Vermeer WRV10 in Kansas that looks really nice though......

Jim

Is that normal . . . for such a large rotary to be so much cheaper than the wheel rakes? I thought it would be the other way around.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #38  
mark.r said:
Is that normal . . . for such a large rotary to be so much cheaper than the wheel rakes? I thought it would be the other way around.

10' is on the small side for a rotary rake. The larger rotary rakes that will cover 18' were around $16k if memory serves me correctly but that is for a Kuhn 6002. There are much larger rotary rakes with some different options and large price tags but for the guys chopping hay where the hay is a higher moisture the rotary rake is a better system so the price is justified.
 
/ Sitrex wheel rake-trying to decide #39  
Price is main determining factor in selection of hay rakes.
Just to give you an idea on price levels;
An 16' rotary rake will cost about 2000 USD.
A 4-wheel rake will cost about 500 USD
A 8-wheel 3pt V-rake will cost about 1250 USD.
Plus, with a little blacksmithing by yourself, you can add 2 more wheels to convert the 8-wheels to 10-wheels. Not so easy to modify the rotary rakes.
 
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Flusher here:

In the interest of closure, since I started this thread last month, things have changed. I found a nice rake locally.

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It's a JD 350, 3pt type, pto-driven. The rubber is good and the teeth are new. Paint job is pretty good. $800.

Thanks to everyone who posted. I learned a lot about wheel rakes as a result. Now the fun begins--learning to use this little honey.
 

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