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[kenmac]

Heard that Chrysler will shut down all plants for 1 month starting dec. 19 Think their are trying to send a message in hopes of a bail out soon ??

 

[shvl73]

I think so...

 

[copperdog]

Instead of bailing out the car companys with huge sums of money, why not give a $ 3000.00 tax credit to everbody that "pays" taxes that would purchase a new Ford, GM, or Chrysler product.
That way the goverment does not own the car companys and they build their way out of this mess?

Make sense?????

 

[shvl73]

Instead of bailing out the car companys with huge sums of money, why not give a $ 3000.00 tax credit to everbody that "pays" taxes that would purchase a new Ford, GM, or Chrysler product.
That way the goverment does not own the car companys and they build their way out of this mess?

Make sense?????

Making sense and government action are at the opposit ends of the spectrum! No way it would happen. No matter what happens, there is going to be a lot of pain for tax-paying Americans.

 

[kenmac]

copperdog, I agree,

people aren't buying because they can't afford the new vehicles. People have lost homes & their jobs. How is a bail out going to help them sell new vehicles if people can't afford to buy them ? If the bail out went to the people for the purchase of a new vehicle . That would get the big 3 going again

 

[Diamondpilot]

I still say the problem is the gas prices. I am going to make a lot of people mad for this but we should be paying $6 per gallon. We should have been paying $4 per gallon back in 2000. We did not keep gas prices with inflation and the rest of the world and when they jumped 300% people were not ready for it.

I just talked to my uncle who owns a Shell gas station in Ohio and he said the first 3/4 of the year his sales were only off 1.2%, basically nothing. People did not change their habits, they just bought gas first and let the other bills slide. If gas would have slowly raised in price the car companies would still be selling cars, homes would not be going back to the bank at such a rate, and stocks would be stronger.

Chris

 

[blueriver]

I still say the problem is the gas prices. I am going to make a lot of people mad for this but we should be paying $6 per gallon. We should have been paying $4 per gallon back in 2000. We did not keep gas prices with inflation and the rest of the world and when they jumped 300% people were not ready for it.

I just talked to my uncle who owns a Shell gas station in Ohio and he said the first 3/4 of the year his sales were only off 1.2%, basically nothing. People did not change their habits, they just bought gas first and let the other bills slide. If gas would have slowly raised in price the car companies would still be selling cars, homes would not be going back to the bank at such a rate, and stocks would be stronger.

Chris

Chris ... thats wrong. Americans simply live outside their means, the easier it is to get the easier it becomes and the next thing ya know we are .... well where we are today.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I agree 100% Blue River. I guess I am no better than anyone. I have a truck payment, boat payment, and a house payment. I do not and never will have a payment on a credit card. Yes, I use them all the time but I pay the bill every month in full. I do not buy it if I can not afford it.

Chris

 

[blueriver]

I agree 100% Blue River. I guess I am no better than anyone. I have a truck payment, boat payment, and a house payment. I do not and never will have a payment on a credit card. Yes, I use them all the time but I pay the bill every month in full. I do not buy it if I can not afford it.

Chris

Their are so many issue's ... remember the day we did not have mandatory Auto insurance, the type that lined the pockets of the Insurance company and the body shop and the attorney's?

In grandpas day, if we had a wreck we resolved it. When we went to the body shop and if it was outside our budget we went to the next one until a reasonable repair was acceptable, (wouldn't you like a manual that guaranteed so much for a job) even sometimes we traded to have the truck fixed!!!

Today ... we just simply accept the things that are forced upon us, including the base of this post. If you don't poke the posseum it won't bite!!

 

[skidoo]

There comes a time when output must be reduced. Consider how many vehicles are out there. Between my wife, son & I, we have have 7 vehicles, and 4 tractors. How many more are we expected to buy? It doesn't make sense to have artificial funding in order to keep producing the same volume that is going to a reduced market.

 

[2manyrocks]

Bird already shut down two threads as politics when we started discussing economic realities and who is actually responsible for them. Chalk it all up to a lot of people, including the federal government, spending beyond their incomes.

 

[john_bud]

I still say the problem is the gas prices. I am going to make a lot of people mad for this but we should be paying $6 per gallon. We should have been paying $4 per gallon back in 2000. We did not keep gas prices with inflation and the rest of the world and when they jumped 300% people were not ready for it.

Chris

Chris,

That would help reduce use. But, you do know that the price of a gallon of gasoline and diesel here and in every other free market country is nearly the same? The GOVERNMENT TAXES are the difference between our $2 a gal gas and Europes $7.50 a gallon. Do you REALLY REALLY want to give the government more money so they can blow it like drunk sailors on leave after 6 months at sea??

(I do apologize to drunk sailors as they have far and away better financial understanding than our politicians. Sorry guys!)

 

[aczlan]

Heard that Chrysler will shut down all plants for 1 month starting dec. 19 Think their are trying to send a message in hopes of a bail out soon ??

from what I read they normally shut down for 2 weeks about now, but this year they are going down for 4. Given the lack of car sales, they would probably do this (bailout or no) to avoid flooding the dealerships with cars at a time that cars generally dont move very well.

Aaron Z

 

[ultrarunner]

I still remember the upheaval caused in the 70's when Chrysler almost went under.

An acquaintance of mine worked at the local Chrysler Parts distribution center... he had a family and loved his job... a job he started at age 18.

He couldn't cope with the loss and ended his life...

Listening to the evening news reminds me of how things were back in 1982... unemployment was very high and almost no one was hiring.

As a group, Americans always manage to come back stronger by reinventing and adapting. The problem is there are always those that can't hold on and fall by the wayside.

Having Grandparents and parents that lived through the Depression helps me keep a perspective on Living Within Ones Means and Saving for a Rainy Day.

 

[Renze]

Heard that Chrysler will shut down all plants for 1 month starting dec. 19 Think their are trying to send a message in hopes of a bail out soon ??

The same thing here in Holland in the DAF heavy truck plant... This year they plan to not just stop doing nightshifts, but to shut down the plant between christmas and new year for 2 weeks.
Something that was never expected last year, manufacturers could not keep up with the demand and delivery times of new trucks rose to allmost a year.....

 

[2manyrocks]

Maybe Chrysler is being realistic in shutting down a bit because there's not much reason in building more inventory to sit unsold. I don't see much product moving off the local dealer's lot.

I remember the 70's and 80's myself. Used to drive on the interstate for miles and not see but only a few other cars on the road.

 

[wincher]

Well not to piss to many off it may be good that they are trying to look ahead but an awful lot of them are still going to be paid even if trucks are not coming off the line and that means they still go in the hole for nothin.

 

[blueriver]

awful lot of them are still going to be paid even if trucks are not coming off the line and that means they still go in the hole for nothin.

And who is paying??

 

[wincher]

well in the long run we are. If we go out and buy a new buetifull dodge ram we have to pick up the price tag of the higher rates due to the union contracts. Please tell me that i am wrong! But i believe that i have clearly heard that the % of benifits going to a new car/truck made by one of the BIG 3 is more then that of the forgin company's that build cars in the U.S. At some point we have to accept that and correct it to be compettive RIGHT.

 

[studor]

Isn't just Chrysler -- GM, Ford and Toyota as well -- I saw a list in the paper of plants and length of shutdowns -- what is unusual this year is the length of the shutdowns.