Should the community make the rules?

[daugen]

Family oriented, G rated and discussing things doesnt have to come with an iron hand.

I agree. But make your point, never ever attack the other poster personally (this sure needs to be repeated time and time again)
, and then give it a rest.
We learn from others and not just ourselves.

Several of us are long time members of the biggest thread here. Good Morning. The reason it has lasted all this time (along with the wonderful Harbor Freight threads) is that we all get
along, we all want to share, and yes of course we come for a little entertainment. It's our online Cheers bar. And many of us take lots of pictures and everyone likes to enjoy them.
Some of us are capable enough to teach, and that's where this site is so valuable. Like the welding threads we have here. I was brave enough to show my very first stick weld on that thread and the members were very kind. Most folks truly enjoy helping others.

I've always felt that alcohol and ? imbibed in during the evening hours has led to a great number of unfortunate posts.

As the bumper sticker on my SIL's car says: Just Be Nice

Thanks for asking Muhammad

 

[Buppies]

Here here Daugen civility and being nice

 

[shooterdon]

I have not voted yet.

I am curious why this is coming up. What rules need tweaking?

IMO the site needs more moderators and if rules are to be changed, that is done through discussion amongst the moderators and the owner.

One comment....
There was a member who left the site because someone complained about the fellow having a line of scripture in his signature. That was childish and it bothered me. This fellow never "preached" (to the best of my knowledge), and I enjoyed his contributions.

I would have put the complainer on ignore if I knew who it was. Talk about not being nice!!!

 

[RoyJackson]

I've always felt that alcohol and ? imbibed in during the evening hours has led to a great number of unfortunate posts.

Any of mine, after imbibing, would be easily recognizable by the numerous misspellings, grammatical errors and generally nonsensical content

 

[daugen]

Society, as a whole, seems to have gotten very uncivil...

and we all know why, the two things we can't talk about here that have dominated our lives over the last two years.
It's really hard to filter out all that emotional context, so we have to acknowledge it and give each other a little more slack.

More emotionally stressed out folks who take offense at what they perceive as a slight when it was never intended.
Most of us know folks who have unexpectedly gotten sick or died in the last few years. No wonder there is worry, but you can't make
that worry go away with a click of the keyboard. Providing an outlet and even a solution for that worry online would be a huge gift to mankind.
Maybe Muhammad can work on that next. But it seems the conversations and level of concern just got out of hand until the teapot boiled over.

I believe we have a sensitive site owner who wants guidance on how to instruct his moderators.
We all understand free speech. And we all know it both joins us and divides us. That's the joys of having your own opinion.

Roy, I've never seen you be nonsensical but I'll keep a look out!

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy, I've never seen you be nonsensical but I'll keep a look out!

I've a fifth of Bourbon here...
It'll be a sacrifice, but I'm willing to do the deed...
Check out my posts after 1530 this afternoon...

 

[sea2summit]

Owners make the rules, maybe this is political but your business is your business. Also political if the customer doesn’t like it they can take a hike. If too many take a hike with the rules then the owner can decide to change them.

Now if you want feedback on rules I think you could absolutely put up a poll, don’t even necessarily have to follow the results. Still your decision if you put up a pole.

 

[sea2summit]

While the forum is private, it is also public. Whoever is moderating may be overzealous with their power. I had one post removed (rightfully IMO) without a trace and I was told they didn’t know who did (Wanted to say thanks). I tried to post about current events in Canada (as a Wow, have you seen this), gone without a trace.

Maybe the mods should have guidelines imposed on them. Family oriented, G rated and discussing things doesnt have to come with an iron hand. Too many places are stripping away our individuality little by little.

I disagree that it’s public, you have to create an account to post. It is publicly searchable though so anything on it does reflect on the owners.

 

[riptides]

I voted no.

I have been here some twenty years, no one on ignore, one post removed - with a moderator explanation, a few heated PM's sent my way and that is all.

That removed post - spelling of our country name in Cyrillic like fashion - really upset someone. A long, long time ago.

Life is hard enough, don't make it harder on yourselves. Follow the forum rules and be civil. Show some respect too.

 

[daugen]

Talk about not being nice!!!

most of our faiths have little tolerance for others, sadly.
It's one of the reasons we can't talk about that here.
It's clear what that avatar means, but I'm more interested in what he says, versus
how he wants to identify himself. Our avatar is just one tiny little part of us...

Years ago I offended a guy here so badly he hasn't talked to me since, and it was sure unintentional
on my part, but it upset a fragile old member, a really nice guy, who had some very strong faith beliefs, and he thought
I was being dismissive of his faith. So this one fellow gets upset that I upset this other fellow, who left and never came back.
And I've been shunned ever since.

so yeah, there are rules and there are rules, but what you say here can hurt people's feelings and
sometimes that takes a long time to get over.

 

[riptides]

Talk about not being nice!!!

most of our faiths have little tolerance for others, sadly.
It's one of the reasons we can't talk about that here.
It's clear what that avatar means, but I'm more interested in what he says, versus
how he wants to identify himself. Our avatar is just one tiny little part of us...

Years ago I offended a guy here so badly he hasn't talked to me since, and it was sure unintentional
on my part, but it upset a fragile old member, a really nice guy, who had some very strong faith beliefs, and he thought
I was being dismissive of his faith. So this other fellow gets upset that I upset this other fellow, who left and never came back.
And I've been shunned ever since.

so yeah, there are rules and there are rules, but what you say here can hurt people's feelings and
sometimes that takes a long time to get over.

I recall that.

Something about forgiving (if offended) that was seriously lacking on the other side. Shocking really, just reading about it.

Typing words on a keyboard....wow. The pen is mightier than the sword and all that.

There had to have been more to it, and it was an over the edge moment.

 

[RandyT]

I voted no but with the caveat that the discipline be even and open although if there was an open list some would try to see home many times they could get their name on it.

Unless they had a banner under their name that said banned on all their post after breaking the rules too many times. I am on another forum that does just that.

 

[riptides]

Unless they had a banner under their name that said banned on all their post after breaking the rules too many times. I am on another forum that does just that.

I find your avatar infringing on my identity. I think you should change it. /s

LOL.

 

[bdhsfz6]

I haven't voted yet either.
Although I'm on TBN every day, I don't post as often as others and I personally haven't had any issues with the rules as they stand.

My main concern with public rulemaking is as follows.

With the huge membership here, it can easily descend into chaos and require far more time to moderate.

TBN is a tractor forum. Why not maintain that focus. For those who wish to post on hot button issues or topics not permitted here, there are many other forums out there more specific to that subject.

I'm open to minor rule changes but IMO, they could be handled with something as simple as a "suggestion box" rather than a public referendum.

 

[RjCorazza]

Do you think we should allow the TBN members make the rules by way of proposing and voting on rules?

I have been on TBN for many years. Allowing members here to vote on forum rules would be a mistake, and would almost certainly drive this fantastic site straight into the dirt.

 

[kenmbz]

I agree that Muhammad and company should make the rules.
The issue as I saw it was:
1) sudden changes with no notification
2) Removal of whole posts with no feedback as to why
This could be fixed by some guidance so we don't have to wonder why posts are removed.

That Muhammad is asking for an opinion is great, feedback from us is being taken.

It just seemed that people/post were getting whacked without warning and rule changes were not communicated before the hammer came down.

Stuff happens, I hope the people we lost will come back.
This is not true censorship if done correctly, it's just keeping it civil and preventing the site from getting too crazy.

Moderators should not need to justify their moves-only explain why and move on.
It's a thankless job. I certainly appreciate them being here.

And Eddie, We all hope your recovery is quick with no lingering affects.

 

[shooterdon]

Well silly me...I think I figured it out. Why this thread....

James left....

I do not spend much time here except for the Gun thread, so I missed his post about leaving. I got ticked off about getting banned for telling the truth and decided to not contribute much to the traffic on the site. My childish way to hurt the owner. But I love to shoot and help others in the sport so the gun thread is "home". Most gun owners are conservatives and I enjoy likeminded folks.

I read the other thread, 15 pages, this morning. Could not sleep so was in the tractor part of the forum "wasting time".

The owner is a liberal running a site that attracts a high percentage of conservatives. Not a good "fit". And let's face it, liberals are having a tough time. They got what they wished for, and it is not working out too well. Inflation, cost of energy, border crisis, Covid, shortages, unemployment, women's sports impacted by "its", CRT protests, mandates struck down by the SCOTUS, record crime etc.

BTW, the owner will tell us he is not a liberal, but it if walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it ain't a beaver.

Frankly, I did not miss yet another thread on "what tractor should I buy" or "what snow weapon do I need". If I get banned for this post, "wokeness rules".

 

[workinonit]

I haven't voted nor will I. It's your forum to thrive, survive or fail. The fact that you are asking this question is very telling. It should be a sign to you that something is wrong. I suspect losing a few outspoken members over your policing stance is enough to make you take note, or maybe not, who knows. I know I don't like the idea of censorship since I just had a post taken down. Maybe it was called for or maybe not, I don't really care. I don't get into political discussions and I'm able to contain coversations like Covid or the like to the topic. The fact is on this board it's difficult to get into almost any conversation without someone responding with a political slant. I think the mods should use better judgement and a bit of tolerence before slamming the door on a thread.

 

[workinonit]

I don't think it was just James.

 

[kirkawilson]

The golden rule applies here...He who has the gold makes the rules.