Seller Beware

   / Seller Beware #121  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
Dealt with numerous 'schemes' like this off Craigslist, mostly for rental units and boat slip rentals in S. Florida before moving back to the farm. Don't even bother to respond, and don't give them any of your info. Keep responding via the anonymous emails of Craigslist if you do, and once again, no info if they can not show in person.
 
   / Seller Beware #122  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
Definitely a scam. Craigslist is full of bots that automatically respond to any & every listing - anything from your granny's underwear to spacecraft and everything inbetween. No serious buyer will offer you more $ than you're advertising and will usu have serious questions about whatever it is you're selling.
 
   / Seller Beware #123  
And I was OK with taking a lower (reasonable) offer. But not $400 which is just stupid. I responded and told him no. And I said $750 was the lowest I'd go right in my first response.
Well, its you fault for dickering online. Next time state "I will consider reasonable CASH IN HAND offers made on site in person - I will NOT negotiate via email."

Then ignore and or flag teh **** orifice that ignores you and makes an offer via email relay.
 
   / Seller Beware #124  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
Scam, plain as the nose on your face.

Money to hold should be face to face with seller and buyer and in cash.
 
   / Seller Beware #125  
Well, its you fault for dickering online. Next time state "I will consider reasonable CASH IN HAND offers made on site in person - I will NOT negotiate via email."

Then ignore and or flag teh **** orifice that ignores you and makes an offer via email relay.
I have sold dozens of things on CL, EBAY, and FB Marketplace with no problems. Most all buyers appreciate being able to come out the winner when their lower offer is accepted and I am sure it helps the buyer make the decision to purchase instead of a Firm price. Once in awhile a person can encounter an idiot that just wants to attempt a scam or maybe they just have fun causing trouble. Your response, is a good example of that.
You do what works for YOU.
 
   / Seller Beware #126  
Actually, there is a thing on CL to report unwanted / annoying responders. I do that regularly. Not sure how it works to deter such time wasters. It easy easy enough to do, so "Why not?"
i also do that, but i send them a personal dart directly :) ... i know, water off a duck
 
   / Seller Beware #127  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell until the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
This appears to be a scam to me. I would stay away from any transaction I am uncomfortable with or that has sketchy looking requirements for completion.
I rarely buy or sell on C-list or eBay. It was a good way to do both years ago. As one of the folks mentioned, too many bots and scammers out there now. I'm not opposed to the idea of the exposure in selling my wares but monetary transactions will be in person and with real funds. No two-party, out of state post dated checks for me.
 
   / Seller Beware #128  
Yeah, probably a scam.

You could try and get their "cashiers check" and actually deposit it (I would set up another account specifically for this). Once it clears (if it does), take out all of the funds. If you actually get the funds, then no problem..... they can come for the tractor.

Just don't give them any personal info, just public record stuff like address and phone number. Definitely no account numbers etc....
You can get the funds and still get burned by this scam if it's a phony cashier's check. The scam typically goes: they send you the cashier's check(s) but for too much money. They ask you to cash the checks then send them the difference. By the time the checks go through routing your bank calls you and tells you that the checks are bad and that they want their money back. By then the "buyer" is long gone with whatever cash you sent them.

I had someone try this on me years ago. My Spidey sense went off so when they asked me to send them the money after the checks were cashed I kept playing dumb to stall until the checks went through routing. My credit union called me a few days later and informed me they were bad checks and I needed to give the money back. Luckily I never sent the scammer the difference because I still would have been on the hook for that money. It really sucks because if I hadn't known the people at the credit union and talked to them about it ahead of time they might have thought that I was the one counterfeiting checks and called the cops.
 
   / Seller Beware #129  
I had this happen too when I was in the tractor business, I use to keep their checks as souvenirs.
I even asked them to send their driver because the check was cashed and I had their money waiting for the driver.
No one ever showed up.. :LOL:
 
   / Seller Beware #130  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
Don't get involved. This is so common now. The few times I sold garden equipment this was the first response. I just told them it was sold. They look for any new entry. Nothing is sacred. Lady on the news today lost 200k on a down payment for a new dream property for her and her father. They seem to get their info from the inside someway. They know if you looked at something on the web. Crazy times.
 
   / Seller Beware #131  
Yeah, probably a scam.

You could try and get their "cashiers check" and actually deposit it (I would set up another account specifically for this). Once it clears (if it does), take out all of the funds. If you actually get the funds, then no problem..... they can come for the tractor.

Just don't give them any personal info, just public record stuff like address and phone number. Definitely no account numbers etc....
Very bad advice. Best to void all contact. Things can backfire.
 
   / Seller Beware #132  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
Sounds like a scam but I once got a message like that and it turned out to be legit. He doesn't need your full name. My name is "Cash". My address is my PO box (or a local business that will receive pallets for me. You don't have a "cell" (telling him you have a landline (even if it's a cell) is the fastest way to weed out the scammers). You can and should give him the price.
The guy I sold to paid me $800 to "hold it" for him. I totally expected a scam but I'm glad I navigated my way through.
 
   / Seller Beware #133  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
Definitely a scam. I got a similar reply almost word to word when trying to sell a car. It was not craig's list but something similar.
The way it goes is that they will send a fake cashier's check for a bit over the asking price... a few hundreds to a few thousands depending on the amount of the transaction. In your case probably around $1000 extra.
You go and deposit the fake cashier's check but your bank likely wont find out for at least 24hrs that its fake. The scammer will then ask you to refund him the difference. Of course if you do you just lost the money because your bank will eventually let you know that the cashier's check was fake.
Whatever you do, do not give your mobile number. They are getting more clever and often run two scams in one. Some scammers will try to use your mobile number to hack your social media accounts and possibly could succeed in hacking other accounts that use 2 step verification by sending a reset code to your phone.
How they do that is by trying to hack the voice mail feature of your mobile, as many people leave the default password. Then they ask to reset your password on any given account with a phone call at a time they think you would not answer your phone so the call goes to voice mail. Since these calls are all automated they will leave the reset code as a voice mail and the scammer then has control of whatever account that is. Also it is scary what someone can do with your full name and address and mobile number.

Like someone else said, if you want to play around, you could ask to see a photo of the cashiers check and have it sent to a P.O. Box or to someone else's address...never to your house. If it clears you are good to go but the chances of an actually valid form of payment getting to you are pretty close to zero.
 
   / Seller Beware #134  
My reply would be bring cash money when you come to pick it up. That is if it does not sell in the meantime.
I realize this is approaching the subject backwards.

But when buying something I'd be wary of anyone requesting that cash be brought. Here, that's a good way to be robbed. Sure you're showing up at an address, but is it their address? Maybe they know the homeowner won't be there for a while.

Never show up or sell alone (or unarmed) take photos (or video), especially of ID's. Sure, this may make some folks uncomfortable but you have to do what you can to protect yourself.
 
   / Seller Beware #135  
I realize this is approaching the subject backwards.

But when buying something I'd be wary of anyone requesting that cash be brought. Here, that's a good way to be robbed. Sure you're showing up at an address, but is it their address? Maybe they know the homeowner won't be there for a while.

Never show up or sell alone (or unarmed) take photos (or video), especially of ID's. Sure, this may make some folks uncomfortable but you have to do what you can to protect yourself.

Not only that, the "good guys" can rob you! Civil Asset Forfeiture is becoming more known but a lot of people still don't know about it.
That's where the cops happen to pull you over, happen to search your car (or you admit to having cash when they ask you) and then they confiscate it claiming you have it to buy drugs, etc. It's happening all over the USA. Google it. There have been a few times I've traveled to states away to purchase something and had to carry cash. It was not a relaxing trip. There is even a case where a Brinks truck got pulled over and the cops seized all the cash in the truck. Blantant highway robbery.....by the "good guys".
 
   / Seller Beware #136  
Not only that, the "good guys" can rob you! Civil Asset Forfeiture is becoming more known but a lot of people still don't know about it.
That's where the cops happen to pull you over, happen to search your car (or you admit to having cash when they ask you) and then they confiscate it claiming you have it to buy drugs, etc. It's happening all over the USA. Google it. There have been a few times I've traveled to states away to purchase something and had to carry cash. It was not a relaxing trip. There is even a case where a Brinks truck got pulled over and the cops seized all the cash in the truck. Blantant highway robbery.....by the "good guys".

If I did carry cash I wouldn't admit and also have it on my person (cash belt or hidden somewhere else in my clothing). A cop would have to literally hold me at gunpoint and rob me.
 
   / Seller Beware #137  
If I did carry cash I wouldn't admit and also have it on my person (cash belt or hidden somewhere else in my clothing). A cop would have to literally hold me at gunpoint and rob me.
I would never admit to having any either. The worst thing you can do is do a cops job for him IMO. I never incriminate myself or purposly contribute to the negative outcome of their "investigations". But they can and have searched people so I don't think you can hide it. I've hid it in the vehicle before. Sketchy at best.

"Do you know why I pulled you over"? NOPE not a clue.
 
   / Seller Beware #138  
A REAL buyer always asks for a discount!
I sold an old cub cadet on craigslist and listed it for $850 thinking I could get between $700 and 750. I young guy came out to look at it and said I'll take it. Gave me 850 cash. Never had that happen before, but I'll take it.

Jeff
 
   / Seller Beware #139  
I bought a tractor and mower about 3+ hours away for $9,800. I arranged to meet the seller at a local bank which was a branch of my bank. Seller was able to watch the bank issue the cashier's check. Seller looked at the check but allowed me to keep the check in my possession until we arrived at their house where I looked at the tractor and handed over the cashier's check. The bank had told the seller that watching the bank issue the cashier's check was the only way for them to KNOW it was valid.
 
   / Seller Beware #140  
I just posted my B2710 on Craigslist. Got the following response:

"From: Andy R Smith
Sat 2/25/2023 9:25 PM
I really appreciate your response.
The first email was addressed to my cousin, who assisted me in contacting the seller because I'm new to Craigslist.
I've been working incredibly long weeks so I won't be able to meet with you before buying, but I'm fine with the price and condition as they are listed on Craigslist. I'll go ahead and issue you a Cashier's Check, and when you have the money and it clears, I'll make plans for pickup.
Please respond as soon as possible with the information provided.
Full name
address, city state and zip code
Your mobile number:
Last price:
As soon as this is given, payment will be delivered overnight to you via UPS Next Day Delivery, and I will give you the package's tracking number.
Please remove the ad from Craigslist or label it as sold today. I will also add an extra $70 to deter other purchasers until you receive my check.
Thank you, and while we wait for your response, I hope we treat this with good faith. "

Not sure this is a "good faith offer." I responded that I would not sell untill the buyer inspected the tractor and I inspected the buyer. BTW the deposit-to-hold I listed in the add was $100. I priced the tractor, 2004 with 1040 hours, new rear tires and rear hydraulics at $9000 - I think that's a fair price. I'm pretty scam alert - what's others' opinions?

MF
That letter reeks of scam. Money gram through wal mart works. Too much to transfer? Send some every day until paid. I just sold a machine and was paid that way. Cheaper than western Union by a long shot. I have used it several times. Not pay pal because they can decide they don't want it later and get the money back. Had that happen. You think you'll get the money off pay pal in cash and they can't get it. Pay pal will charge it against your pay pal card. Same way with e bay. I do money gram on eBay and anything else. Wise up to the online game. Do a bank wire transfer. No reason they can't do that. I have done that a few times.
 

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