Saving electricity

   / Saving electricity #51  
Our house is total electric. There are no natural gas lines in this area. Just a very few of the oldest homes in the area have LPG tanks in the back yard. I guess we're not very good at conserving electricity. We have the 2 little 3 watt CFL bulbs outside that are on 24/7, we have a two tube 4' florescent in the garage (one is a plant grow light) that are on 24/7, my wife keeps the 40" Samsung TV (DirecTV) on about 16 hours a day, and my computer is never turned off, and in addition to the refrigerator in the kitchen, we have a second one in the shop. And of course we have some warm weather and keep the thermostat set on 76 degrees F 24/7/365.

Last year our electric bills ranged from $106 to $270 with a year round monthly average of $197.
 
   / Saving electricity #52  
Sweet Jesus Bird, I don't feel so bad about having the freezer set to the coolest setting all the time now compared to your usage!
 
   / Saving electricity #53  
Bird... you HAVE to run the freezer 24/7 to make up for the 76F temp of the house....yikes id be melting at 76:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
 
   / Saving electricity #54  
76 Fahrenheit! That's... 24 Celsius yes ?

That would have me sweating at the brow!
 
   / Saving electricity #55  
Bird... you HAVE to run the freezer 24/7 to make up for the 76F temp of the house....yikes id be melting at 76:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I used to be that way myself.:laughing: Now of course we do make liberal use of the ceiling fans.;) And in spite of all 4 of them being 3 speed fans, we never change; just leave them on the middle speed all the time.
 
   / Saving electricity #56  
I used to be that way myself.:laughing: Now of course we do make liberal use of the ceiling fans.;)
So let me get this straight Bird, you have the heating cranked up to 76 but still use cooling fans at the same time ?

That's conflicting!
 
   / Saving electricity #57  
So let me get this straight Bird, you have the heating cranked up to 76 but still use cooling fans at the same time ?

That's conflicting!

No, not quite.:laughing: The thermostat for the HVAC system stays on 76, but we do change back and forth between "Heat" and "Cool" depending on the weather. Of course it's now on "Cool" and probably will not be changed to "Heat" again until at least sometime in October and quite possibly November. And we do usually have a few days each Spring and each Fall when we turn it off and open windows, but not too many days like that in Texas.:D
 
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Bingo, Dan. I've observed that often the most vocal proponents of Free Markets are the people that do NOT participate in one.

Here, to create the PERCEPTION of a Free Market, you can sign up with other companies for the consumption ONLY portion of your electric bill. Meanwhile, the incumbent is awarded enough fees and slush fund charges (regardless of what you decide to do) that even if you switch "providers", it is revenue neutral (at worst, typically they are making more money regardless) for the incumbent utility.

A sham, at best.

I do not want ANY utility controlled automation in my house, for several reasons.

1) I'm already controlling my consumption fairly well, in my case there would be little benefit to their load shedding programs.

2) I was talking with a senior Electric Utility Engineer last year. He related a conversation he had with a counterpart at another utility. They were discussing implementing system control technology, specifically technology that PRE-DATED the most recent generation of Smart Grid hype. Eng #1 - "....of that generation technology, we've implemented about 25% of what we had available to us". Eng #2 "Wow, I'd say we've only implemented about 15%, you are way ahead of us".

Important enough to repeat - they were talking about PRE Smart Grid technology.

3) Early Adopter people I've talked to locally have tried utility controlled load shedding, with very poor results. Not only did their billed $ jump significantly, the load was running when it wasn't needed at all - very badly managed to say the least.

4) The consequences of certain equipment ending up-offline/down at the wrong time is not worth the risk to me. At -40C, no fun having your furnace down.

Utilities are typically not very good at implementing cutting edge technology quickly. Mostly, I'm OK with that, providing all parties keep that first in mind.

I WANT conservative, olde School engineering practices left in place until there is absolutely no question of new tech goofing up.

I never want to hear about somebody having to Control/Alt/Delete ANY power station.

Jamie/Bird - I've gone jogging in Dallas in June - even at 5am, it is impressively hot/humid. I saw an elderly lady cutting her lawn at 5:30am, likely not that unusual given the climate !

Rgds, D.
 
   / Saving electricity #59  
No, not quite.:laughing: The thermostat for the HVAC system stays on 76, but we do change back and forth between "Heat" and "Cool" depending on the weather. Of course it's now on "Cool" and probably will not be changed to "Heat" again until at least sometime in October and quite possibly November. And we do usually have a few days each Spring and each Fall when we turn it off and open windows, but not too many days like that in Texas.:D
Ah I understand now. Thanks for explaining!
 
   / Saving electricity #60  
Just a few miles (sorry, kms) down the road from me at Hwy401 & Trafalgar Road is a natural gas generation facility put up by TransCanada. It is supposedly just a 'backup' facility, for when demand is high. Well, you can see the vapors from the stacks pretty much every day, so I suppose they're burning gas to keep the water boiling, and venting the steam until they need to run the generators ?
Why not do it with nukes ? Maybe it's not as simple as that.

Pete

Natural gas generators don't use steam, they feed the gas directly into turbines and use the turbines to turn the generator. Boiling water to make steam wastes a huge amount of energy, and is only practical if the energy is nearly free, like nuclear or coal.
 

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