TMR
Gold Member
Is the $17,598 "quote" your total price for 1-6 as listed? Thanks...Tom R
Comparison ROPS height, BX vs. B, and slopes!
- Thread starter MossyDell
- Start date
- Views: 39087
Is the $17,598 "quote" your total price for 1-6 as listed? Thanks...Tom R
OP
MossyDell
Silver Member
- Joined
- Jul 25, 2002
- Messages
- 236
- Location
- southwestern Virginia
- Tractor
- B2601 (2021) B6100E (1988) B2100 (1991) JD970 (1998)
Did you notice the turfs gave a rougher ride too? Reading in the forums, rough ride in BX has been commented on. The consensus seems to be that it's a function of having a tractor with small wheels and going too fast. BUT one experienced user said bar tires are much less harsh than turf, which surprised me.
The large (25 hp) JD lawn tractor I am using has turfs with aggressive tread and rear wheel weights. There is also indication they are half filled with liquid. The ride is fine. Of course, I always go pretty slowly when mowing anyway.
russellm
Member
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2015
- Messages
- 35
- Location
- Portland, OR & Gig Harbor, WA
- Tractor
- Do not own a tractor yet
Yes, that is the price after taking advantage of the rebates/cash incentives. Does not include Taxes as I am in Oregon.
I really never noticed much difference in the ride between the bars and turfs. When ballast went into the bars on the back the ride got worse from having less air inside. Not a huge change but still noticeable.
Small tires and speed make for a rough ride, I think. Unlike a lawn tractor, a BX can travel faster than the deck can effectively cut and discharge the clippings. Also faster than your posterior will tolerate on rough ground.
AxleHub
Elite Member
Greetings, you wrote " While the B2601 is superior in every way to the BX25D "
Sometimes words act like a Jedi Mind Trick . . . substitute the words "superior in every way" with the words "bigger in many ways" and you get an entirely altered change in a person's impression. Bigger is not superior . . its just bigger. Its only superior when it is fully usable and safer
Too often in our country we discount the values of a Russell Wilson . . only to find out ability and agility trumps size in big ways (pun intended).As I'd mentioned in your other thread . . I thought a BX 2670-1 might be a great compromise. You wrote above "If the BX2670 would have accepted a Kubota BH, I would have certainly purchased it because of the 2 extra PTO horses."
But my understandig is a bx2670-1 or past bx26?? Models can have the backhoe added to it and many have done it . . you just have to have the Kubota subframe added to the unit (and some of that cost is offset because the bx2670-1 already has the 3 pt hitch the bx25d does not).
I've personally found this investing in a tractor for a combination of tasks AND a wide change in property conditions is a constant focus on evaluating ideas and options
At least for new buyers like myself where money is not "ever plentiful".
Last edited:
russellm
Member
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2015
- Messages
- 35
- Location
- Portland, OR & Gig Harbor, WA
- Tractor
- Do not own a tractor yet
Axlehub,
I should have said "Superior in the following ways" that I went on to list. i I did not list "larger" as the reason it is superior.
You are correct, when it comes to it's ability to operate on hills (or tighter spaces), the BX is superior
As for the BX2670, I asked the dealer (granted they could certainly be wrong) and he said it could not take the BH. But he did not say it with a lot of conviction, so would need to find someone who has direct knowledge in if/how it can be done.
One interesting thing he did say however (with regards to your 3 Pt hitch comment). He said every BX25D he gets from the factory (as I understand it, inventory is owned by Kubota) comes with:
3 PT Hitch, BH bucket and thumb all sitting inside the FEL upon delivery. He said dealers will take them out as a way to lower the entry price point of the tractor and then "sell up" to those items. Could be BS, I don't know but at the end of the day, his price was pretty good with all those things included.
Buying a tractor is like buying a car, generally we don't want to go into it without being well informed on our purchase which takes some time...
I should have said "Superior in the following ways" that I went on to list. i I did not list "larger" as the reason it is superior.
You are correct, when it comes to it's ability to operate on hills (or tighter spaces), the BX is superior
As for the BX2670, I asked the dealer (granted they could certainly be wrong) and he said it could not take the BH. But he did not say it with a lot of conviction, so would need to find someone who has direct knowledge in if/how it can be done.
One interesting thing he did say however (with regards to your 3 Pt hitch comment). He said every BX25D he gets from the factory (as I understand it, inventory is owned by Kubota) comes with:
3 PT Hitch, BH bucket and thumb all sitting inside the FEL upon delivery. He said dealers will take them out as a way to lower the entry price point of the tractor and then "sell up" to those items. Could be BS, I don't know but at the end of the day, his price was pretty good with all those things included.
Buying a tractor is like buying a car, generally we don't want to go into it without being well informed on our purchase which takes some time...
Rather than guess at what your slope is by us looking at the picture you provided, it might be best to take a measurement of your sloped lawn.
Here is what I use to measure my sloped lawn.
I got this protractor from Sears and it'll give you the slope measurement in degrees.
I took a 6 - 8 foot 2x4 and placed it on the ground first , then placed the protractor on the 2x4.
I've got 19 degree slopes that I use my Husqvarna R322T AWD on without any issues.
My old Wheel Horse garden tractors (2 wd) had traction issues on the same slopes and I had two instances when the Wheel Horse GT went over backwards, because they lost traction then suddenly gained it back, causing the front end to rise up quickly, and over backwards.
No injuries in both cases, just spilled gas and oil.
I recommend either AWD or 4wd as a minimum, in what ever you choose, but if your slopes are too steep you may want to look for something that's made to handle slopes better than a Kubota BX.
IMHO ...The first step is to figure out what you have for slopes, before doing too much tractor shopping.
Here is what I use to measure my sloped lawn.
I got this protractor from Sears and it'll give you the slope measurement in degrees.
I took a 6 - 8 foot 2x4 and placed it on the ground first , then placed the protractor on the 2x4.
I've got 19 degree slopes that I use my Husqvarna R322T AWD on without any issues.
My old Wheel Horse garden tractors (2 wd) had traction issues on the same slopes and I had two instances when the Wheel Horse GT went over backwards, because they lost traction then suddenly gained it back, causing the front end to rise up quickly, and over backwards.
No injuries in both cases, just spilled gas and oil.
I recommend either AWD or 4wd as a minimum, in what ever you choose, but if your slopes are too steep you may want to look for something that's made to handle slopes better than a Kubota BX.
IMHO ...The first step is to figure out what you have for slopes, before doing too much tractor shopping.
Attachments
Axlehub,
I should have said "Superior in the following ways" that I went on to list. i I did not list "larger" as the reason it is superior.
You are correct, when it comes to it's ability to operate on hills (or tighter spaces), the BX is superior
As for the BX2670, I asked the dealer (granted they could certainly be wrong) and he said it could not take the BH. But he did not say it with a lot of conviction, so would need to find someone who has direct knowledge in if/how it can be done.
One interesting thing he did say however (with regards to your 3 Pt hitch comment). He said every BX25D he gets from the factory (as I understand it, inventory is owned by Kubota) comes with:
3 PT Hitch, BH bucket and thumb all sitting inside the FEL upon delivery. He said dealers will take them out as a way to lower the entry price point of the tractor and then "sell up" to those items. Could be BS, I don't know but at the end of the day, his price was pretty good with all those things included.
Buying a tractor is like buying a car, generally we don't want to go into it without being well informed on our purchase which takes some time...
Maybe a couple of points are worth clarifying. First, the backhoe equipped BX's like the BX25D have always been virtually the same tractors as the non-backhoe BX models. Same components, same basic performance... you'd have a hard time distinguishing a BX25D without its backhoe from a BX2370 parked next to it (other than the name badge of course!). The only substantive differences are the swivel seat and a heavier tractor frame on the BX25D. The reinforced frame adds about 175 lbs difference in weight and is designed to handle the extra stresses from operating a backhoe. It's NOT the subframe; we're talking about the tractor frame itself.
That heavier frame is why you can't simply hang a backhoe on a BX2370 and make it into a BX25D. If you are determined not to buy a BX25D for whatever reasion and later have a change of heart about wanting a backhoe, there are some good non-Kubota backhoes available (Woods and I think some other brands also), but your best value is to get the backhoe to begin with the BX25D. Wish I had known that when I bought my BX years ago... it has been great but there have been so many times that little BH would have saved me a ton of work!
As for the 3 point links, they are a "dealer installed option" according to the "Build my Kubota" web pages. Ya gotta shake your head at any dealer that doesn't know that or is being shifty about it. Cheers and good luck shopping.
russellm
Member
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2015
- Messages
- 35
- Location
- Portland, OR & Gig Harbor, WA
- Tractor
- Do not own a tractor yet
Thanks Grandad4.
yes, I forgot to mention the swiveling seat which is an important aspect of the BX25D. I am aware of a few of the aftermarket options (DR and woodmax are a couple) but like you, think the best value is getting the integrated option.
As for the "dealer installed options" and the website. Yes, I am very aware of the ability to add those things in the "build" process on the Kubota website. But given the dealerships get most of their supply as "standard" builds, I think it might be fair to assume the factory may indeed ship the "standard" BX25D's to their dealers with the 3Pt hitch, bucket, and thumb right along with them as they probably know 90% of the buyers get those exact options. There was really no reason for this dealership to make that up as their pricing is very good from what I have seen so far.
Best Regards
Russell
yes, I forgot to mention the swiveling seat which is an important aspect of the BX25D. I am aware of a few of the aftermarket options (DR and woodmax are a couple) but like you, think the best value is getting the integrated option.
As for the "dealer installed options" and the website. Yes, I am very aware of the ability to add those things in the "build" process on the Kubota website. But given the dealerships get most of their supply as "standard" builds, I think it might be fair to assume the factory may indeed ship the "standard" BX25D's to their dealers with the 3Pt hitch, bucket, and thumb right along with them as they probably know 90% of the buyers get those exact options. There was really no reason for this dealership to make that up as their pricing is very good from what I have seen so far.
Best Regards
Russell
Getting a BX25 without the 3 point kit is probably like trying to buy a car without electric windows or a radio. In theory that's possible but doesn't happen very often.
