Backhoe Ripper tooth design - need your advice

   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice
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#111  
:jack-o-lantern: Happy Halloween from "Stump Slayer" .:jack-o-lantern:

ripperF-3.jpg ripperF.jpg ripperF-5.jpg

(this was prior to or our last week trip and was a suggestion from a co-worker... made the 300 mile drive a little more interesting when people passed us :shocked: )
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice #112  
That's greatness! Well done.
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice #113  
:jack-o-lantern: Happy Halloween from "Stump Slayer" .:jack-o-lantern: <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343938"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343939"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343940"/> (this was prior to or our last week trip and was a suggestion from a co-worker... made the 300 mile drive a little more interesting when people passed us :shocked: )

I thought stumps and trees bled JD green. What exactly have you been ripping with that thing???
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice
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#114  
I thought stumps and trees bled JD green. What exactly have you been ripping with that thing???

Was just for fun since Halloween was close to the trip. All the paint didn't last long... as was mentioned by you and CM, but it looked good for the first few pics.

QLE_ripper-58.jpg QLE_ripper-63.jpg QLE_ripper-60.jpg QLE_ripper-61.jpg
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice
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#115  
Here are a few more pics from the working vacation... got some video (but have to figure out how to upload )

QLE_ripper-35.jpg QLE_ripper-14.jpg QLE_ripper-15.jpg QLE_ripper-29.jpg QLE_ripper-30.jpg
These are from the first load = 26 total

QLE_ripper-11.jpg QLE_ripper-40.jpg QLE_ripper-44.jpg QLE_ripper-27.jpg QLE_ripper-47.jpg
These are from the second load = 20 or so ( lost count )
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice #116  
Looks like the stump slayer is living up to its name.
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice #117  
What was the largest diameter of the stumps? About how long (average) did it take to remove each stump.?

Wedge
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice #118  
Way to slay, blue!
Now you just need a FEL grapple like mine, (see my avatar). Nice trailer rig too! Man I wish I had a truck and trailer like yours, then I could conquer the rest of the world :licking:
Here's what I found out from a LOT of recent stump extrication. I found if I get up pretty close to a stump and picture dead ahead of the hoe as noon, and the right swing maximum as 4 o'clock and left max swing as 8 o'clock then if I go in close to the stump with the ripper and see what I can pull toward me, and keep moving out away from the stump on any axis until I can begin to rip a root or a cluster of roots, then I can keep doing this until I've got most all the roots ripped and then dig the ripper in and push down and away against the grade under the stump, while pulling up and usually snap the stump loose. The most difficult positions are at high noon and at beyond max swing of the boom on either side.
I find that around 1800-2100 RPMs is the best range to be able to control the hoe/ripper and still have enough strength to do the job without going too fast or too slow.
I have also found that for the most part it isn't so much about using the serrated edges for cutting as it is about using them to gain grip/traction on a root(s). By using the curl strength positioning the ripper is the most key tactic in successfully gaining on the stump.
My objective is to only position the hoe/tractor once and get the stump out without having to come at it from another angle, if possible. Sometimes when i have a stump that has a large stalk left i can stop ripping/digging with the hoe, turn around and use the bucket in low with the diff locked and push the edge of the bucket against the top of the stump and force it into submission. This can entail riding the front tires off the ground and the full force of the bucket/tractor and weight of the hoe at around 2K RPMs.
I would like to hear about your and others experience so we can compare notes and gain ground over stumpy.
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice
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#119  
Way to slay, blue!
Now you just need a FEL grapple like mine, (see my avatar). Nice trailer rig too! Man I wish I had a truck and trailer like yours, then I could conquer the rest of the world :licking:
Here's what I found out from a LOT of recent stump extrication. I found if I get up pretty close to a stump and picture dead ahead of the hoe as noon, and the right swing maximum as 4 o'clock and left max swing as 8 o'clock then if I go in close to the stump with the ripper and see what I can pull toward me, and keep moving out away from the stump on any axis until I can begin to rip a root or a cluster of roots, then I can keep doing this until I've got most all the roots ripped and then dig the ripper in and push down and away against the grade under the stump, while pulling up and usually snap the stump loose. The most difficult positions are at high noon and at beyond max swing of the boom on either side.
I find that around 1800-2100 RPMs is the best range to be able to control the hoe/ripper and still have enough strength to do the job without going too fast or too slow.
I have also found that for the most part it isn't so much about using the serrated edges for cutting as it is about using them to gain grip/traction on a root(s). By using the curl strength positioning the ripper is the most key tactic in successfully gaining on the stump.
My objective is to only position the hoe/tractor once and get the stump out without having to come at it from another angle, if possible. Sometimes when i have a stump that has a large stalk left i can stop ripping/digging with the hoe, turn around and use the bucket in low with the diff locked and push the edge of the bucket against the top of the stump and force it into submission. This can entail riding the front tires off the ground and the full force of the bucket/tractor and weight of the hoe at around 2K RPMs.
I would like to hear about your and others experience so we can compare notes and gain ground over stumpy.

CM you do a heck of a job creating a visual using verbiage can't say I will do as well, but here goes.

The learning curve was not as bad as I had thought, but I was pretty comfortable with the controls from past use. I did make a few silly beginner errors like forgetting to put the stabilizers down, on the first insertion pivoting on the rear tires and "teeter tottered" me in the seat toward the ground and the front wheels went up. :loser: Another was not having the engine rpm sufficient causing lack of power, my backhoe is driven by its own pump off the PTO. Optimum RPM seemed to be 2200 - 2400 it was very noisy but I used my forester helmet ear muffs to quiet things down... as well as the helmet face shield for the flying dirt.

Initially I found myself positioning to far from the stump, where I had to extend the boom & dipper about half their travel to reach. Although this worked on the very dead and smaller stumps which I started with. It did cause me to lose leverage when I got the inside arc of the ripper under a strong root. Learning from this, I approached things differently on the big stump I knew I would have a difficult time with. Those I planned on attacking from multiple sides, usually only moving once at 90 degrees from the initial position. I found it best to position the boom, dipper & ripper in full closed position and backed up square and just in front of the stump. This was the point at which I felt I could get the maximum leverage from the hydraulics. Although it looked too close initially, after the stabilizer were down it gave me good position and I could see real well what I was doing from my perch. I never found I had to readjust my position farther back and typically completed the stump removal on the my re-position at 90 degrees. I did however after the stump was loose, move tractor further away to clean the debris from the root ball as I was too close to pick the roots clean.

My wife didn't get any good pics of the approach... but these kind of show what is too far away (first one) and the about right position (second one)
Ripper_position.jpg Ripper_position-2.jpg

As for the technique used to sever the roots, this was a complete combination of using all controls to get a grip on the root. The control that did the most work was the bucket curl. When I had a good hold under the root, the curl was the driving force that allowed me utilize the teeth in a slight sawing motion and then pop that root in half... it was very impressive. I had many roots that I lost grip on as the ripper violently squirted out from under it. Those I would just try to slightly re-position the boom radially from the stump axis to get a new grip in a weaker area (roots get smaller and easier to break further from the stump axis). This however causes you to get some quite large craters when you finally get the stump out!

You and IslandTractor both warned me about those slippery roots. One of the suggestions that IT had was to add a "reversed raised barb" just after the point and before the first tooth to help catch & hold the root. This would have definitely helped in these instances, but it might also have aided in getting it stuck as well. The wedge shape of the ripper allows it to go down, in & under easily and if stuck doesn't always come out easily. I found myself dealing with a lot more rock than anticipated and I got completely stuck a couple times which left me helpless for a few moments. I got the ripper deeply buried under a root with the back of it against a non-visible large rock. This situation allowed me no travel with any controls, after trying for a few seconds with no luck except the entire tractor shifting on the stabilizers. :scratchchin: I finally figured out the only adjustment I had was the stabilizers. Using these allowed me the wiggle room to get the ripper out. I really thought I was in deep ca-ca!

I did try the approach using the FEL with tractor in low gear to dislodge the stump after severing the roots. Although this worked well IT WAS NO WHERE NEAR AS FUN as completing the entire removal with the ripper! There was complete satisfaction behind the controls of the backhoe when that big *** stump wiggled and twisted out of its spot! I found myself having WAY too much fun doing this. The FEL approach would be your best option if your trees have a main center core or stem root, like a carrot has. The pines I was dealing with have numerous axial roots running away from the tree axis, making the "ripper only" use desirable. Although I did bring my sawzall with me (as recommended by some) I did not use it due to the rocks and as I was insistent on accomplishing this with my new toy! I also really enjoyed clearing out the debris (rock & dirt) from the root ball as it really taught me finesse of the backhoe controls.
 
   / Ripper tooth design - need your advice
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#120  
What was the largest diameter of the stumps? About how long (average) did it take to remove each stump.?

Wedge

The largest was about 32" diameter... that and a couple others in the 24-28" range took me about 20 minutes to get loose. They were so loaded up with dirt & rock (actually some boulders) in the root-ball that they took another 10 minutes to clear out the debris. These were also quite the challenge to get up the incline to the trailer... they were heavy! They were even more of challenge to get off my trailer at the slash pit as I was without the tractor at that point. The stumps that were in the 12"-18" range took about 10 minutes or so. Some of those were done without re-positioning the tractor at all, others were still a challenge. Smaller stumps were only a few minutes... probably longer to position myself than the actual digging. All and all if went a lot quicker than I had initially thought... that doesn't happen to me very often! Highly recommend having this implement... have no regrets and plan on using it to assist in boulder unearthing and future assistance for the neighbors. In fact I think I'll use this more than the 12" bucket.
 
 

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