Repainting the 135

[Whiskey]

2manyrocks:

I am by no means am a pro at this, but, I posted my trial an error process on a thread a year or two ago. Might make for a fun read.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/52163-dressin-up-old-ym187.html

 

[jimmer2880]

2manyrocks:

I am by no means am a pro at this, but, I posted my trial an error process on a thread a year or two ago. Might make for a fun read.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/52163-dressin-up-old-ym187.html

That's quite a tutorial.... Are you ready to do mine?

I have a very dumb question. How do you know how much to thin the paint?

 

[Whiskey]

Jimmer:

For the paint I was using (BPS from Tractor Supply) it was 4 pints for every gallon of paint or primer.....or 1 can of hardner to every quart of paint. Tractor Supply sells there hardner in small cans I think there pints.

As the painting process go on you will get better at mixing smaller amounts of paint and hardner once you get a "feel" for the texture.

 

[2manyrocks]

thanks for posting your thread, Whiskey. That's an amazing transformation of your YM187. I have a YM226 with the same colors. Didn't you use Massey Ferguson red and black paint from TSC? Which color did you use for the wheels?

How is the paint holding up?

Thank you also, Mark. What are your thoughts on selecting paint? What's the practical difference between $30 and $100 a gallon paint on a tractor used as a tractor?


When I was doing the CC, I stripped it down to the frame and then raised it up on a cherry picker to pressure wash and paint. The cherry picker made it easier to handle. Before painting, I wiped it down with acetone. My cherry picker won't lift the Yanmar, however.

 

[Whiskey]

2manyrocks:

You are correct.....

Massey Ferguson red
Gloss Black
Gloss White
All is BPS from TSC.

Paint is holding up great...I'm impressed with it.

 

[mark777]

What are your thoughts on selecting paint? What's the practical difference between $30 and $100 a gallon paint on a tractor used as a tractor?.......

Cheaper paints are of lessor quality. The basic chemicals in high end (expensive) paints utilize more high solids (pigments). replace the vehicles (clear toning mixture) and replace it with additional UV screeners (Ultra-Violet blockers).

So, if you realize 24-36 months with the first signs of fading with a paint like Valspars BPS...You can realize ten times that amount of longevity with paints the use high solids and UV screeners. Longer still when clear coated with Urethane or Polyurethane clears. As always, you get what you pay for (usually).

 

[2manyrocks]

Given the amount of time and labor required to tear down a tractor and paint it, looks like a person would want the best paint he can afford if he is going to keep it.

I've used the TSC paint, but not the other kinds. How about sharing some ideas of what other paint choices there are in terms of longevity and what one might expect to pay for them?

 

[mark777]

Given the amount of time and labor required to tear down a tractor and paint it, looks like a person would want the best paint he can afford if he is going to keep it...........

That should be written in stone IMHO!

There are so many variables with purchasing...just paint.
One quart of color, say acrylic enamel from PPG jobbers, can range from $32-$70. depending on the color. A solid red color, because of it's ingredients of pigment and suspension vehicles will be considerably higher than, say black.

Now add the reducer, and depending on the ambient temperatures of where you're located, will dictate fast, medium or slow evaporation reducer to keep the paint wet enough, the drying times slow enough to maintain depth and clarity of the top coats during each pass.

Now add the catalyst (hardener)....
Then the substrate (primer). I most often use Epoxy based primers.

I realize I haven't given you a price...but I NEVER leave a paint store without spending a minimum of $200 for paint and related chemicals only.

Mark

 

[2manyrocks]

Well, my friend who restores cub cadets, said he budgets at least $300 in paint and materials just to repaint a cub cadet garden tractor. I haven't asked him what he budgets to repaint a full size tractor. I think he pretty well sticks to acrylic enamel from NAPA.

 

[streamin]

2manyrocks,
sorry for the delay, been to busy to reply.What a lot of good info since I'm been away.
mark777 sounds like he is very knowledgeable with a lot of good ideas.I was suggesting the
glass guns only because I thought you were on a tight budget with no equipment.But the bottom line is probably borrowing or buying the right things to do the job.Assuming your going to do that, I will second mark777 on the gravity hvlp guns,I buy my primer guns from HF and they spray good enough.I would strongly reccomend going with a clearcoat no matter what brand you use.And again"you get what you pay for"
As mark said, pressure washing is good but if you can get a steam cleaner that would be better.It can never be too clean!!IMO I use a red scotch brite pad with dishwashing soap to "sand" the tight areas before your ready to paint.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned, I would use a non-sanding self etching primer/sealer as your 1st coat to promote adhesion to the old surface.
$300 sounds a little high but with 3 colors it may be.

 

[FL_Jerry]

I used to periodically look at some work Mark did on Hoye's web site, now I can't find it, but I used to sigh and think I wish he lived closer so he could paint mine

Thanks for all the info!

 

[frank_z]

It ain't fair !

You paint your baby with a fine automotive paint and get her real purdy, and then the guy down the street accuses you of getting one of those cheesy VN recons !

No! It ain't fair!!!!

 

[mark777]

Jerry,

Thanks for the kind words, and I suppose the pictures that Aaron had were updated with someone else's refinished tractors.

Frank_Z....let them eat cake. I have, on occasion, been accused of the same thing. Most of these guys are just pouting with paint envy.

Streamin, spoken like a true professional. After preparation is complete, there can't be anything more important, or a step that's the most significant than promoting adhesion. The primer is, after all, the foundation for any good-great paint project. Testing that theory, and after the paint is fully cured, try pressure washing your project! The pressures WILL find the smallest of areas that indicate poor adhesion (poor preparation) and need to be repaired if you shortcut any areas.

The preparation is a long, involved task...but justified when the project is completed.

Mark

 

[streamin]

Streamin, spoken like a true professional. After preparation is complete, there can't be anything more important, or a step that's the most significant than promoting adhesion. The primer is, after all, the foundation for any good-great paint project. Testing that theory, and after the paint is fully cured, try pressure washing your project! The pressures WILL find the smallest of areas that indicate poor adhesion (poor preparation) and need to be repaired if you shortcut any areas.

The preparation is a long, involved task...but justified when the project is completed.

Mark

Thankyou ,Mark. I can tell you know what your talking about.
Most people don't understand the 90% prep- 10% paint rule. I wish my customers would understand that, then they would gladly pay what that kind of work is really worth!

 

[BruceR]

For the frame & engine area, I like to use a cheap spray-on foam oven cleaner for those hard to reach places and all the little nooks and crannys where a scotch-brite won't quite make it. Aside from removing the grease and oil, it removes some of the old paint and what paint it leaves behind is nicely etched, ready to prime.

Bruce

 

[kenmac]

Off subject. Bruce, did you delete your post about the yanmar on e bay ??

 

[BruceR]

Off subject. Bruce, did you delete your post about the yanmar on e bay ??

No, Bird deleted it. It was too funny, I had to share but TBN frowns on ebay links now.

Bruce

 

[kenmac]

just wondered. Everyone use to post them . now it's against the law

The guy told me that he allowed his .well I had better not say as it is related to e bay & may get deleted

 

[BruceR]

I guess I can understand. Bird said someone got taken on an item after they followed a link from TBM, and then wanted TBN to reimburse them for it.

Bruce

 

[jimmer2880]

I guess I can understand. Bird said someone got taken on an item after they followed a link from TBM, and then wanted TBN to reimburse them for it.

Bruce

How dumb was that? If that's the case, I'm going to sue the state highway commission for allowing the billboard that endorsed a casino that took all my money