re BX2200 vs B-series

[Bird]

Stephen, the B7100 was only 16 hp. Have you looked at http://www.kubota.com? You can read specs, compare models, etc., but of course that's for the current models being made and sold. For some makes and models, you can also find some information at http://www.tractortips.com

Bird

 

[Thomas]

Stephen,
If your wife plans on useing the tractor,you should really consider power steering...wish I did.

There still brand new mid and rear mowers for Kubota B7100 on the market,but you may have to search a little and the price hasn't gone down all that much. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

Take your time in shopping for a tractor,its an investment now a days.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Stephen]

Bird,

I came across tractortips.com's spec sheets, but that seem to have a lot of gaps and a few errors.

They list the B1700HSD at 17hp rather than 16hp. After reading thro several of the specs their I believe your 16HP is the correct figure.

 

[Stephen]

Bird,

Apologies, the B7100 is 16hp (Doh!). My dyslexia acting up again. (1700 vs 7100)

Currently I have:

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Model - Gross/PTO horsepower, Steering/Position, Weight,
Lift/Lift@24", Pump Capacity

BX1800 - 18/13.7hp, PS/DC, 1255lb, 1210/680lb, 5.5gpm
BX2200 - 22/16.7hp, PS/DC, 1300lb, 1210/680lb, 5.5gpm
B7400 - 16/12.5hp, MS/DC, 1290lb, 1356/1058lb, 3.9gpm
B7500 - 24/16hp, PS/DC, 1367lb, 1356/1058lb, 7.0gpm
B2410 - 24/18hp, PS/PC, 1477lb, 1655/1300lb. 7.0gpm
B2710 - 27/20hp, PS/PC, 1741lb, 1655/1300lb. 9.5gpm
B2910 - 30/22hp, PS/PC, 1763lb, 1655/1300lb. 9.5gpm

B1700 - 17/14hp, ??/PC, 1???lb, 1280/#lb, 2.9gpm
B2100 - 21/17hp, ??/??, 1???lb, 1280/#lb, 2.9gpm
B2400 - 24/10hp, PS/??, 1461lb, 1280/1015lb, 5.8gpm
B7100 - 16/13hp, MS/DC, 1265lb, 1036/#lb, 3.6gpm
B7300 - 16/12hp, MS/DC, 1312lb, 1100/#lb, ??gpm

PS - power_steering
MS - manual_steering
PC _ position_control
DC - directional_control

I assume the B1700 & B2100 do NOT have power steering, right ?
Do the B2100 and B2400 have position control ?

I need weight for ther B1700 & B2100 and pump capacty for the B7300.

 

[hayden]

B1700,B2100,B2400 info:

All have power steering

All have position control

B1700 = 17hp, B2100 = 21hp, and B2400=24hp

 

[hayden]

I'm repeating a bit here, but the B1700 and B2100 both have PS and PC.

B1700 is 1402lbs (HSD)
B2100 is 1428lbs (HSD)

The B1700,2100, and 2400 in all material ways are identical except for HP and the B2400 used the LA351 loader which has a 770lbs lift capacity compared to the LA301 on the other models which has a 660lbs capacity

 

[msocko3]

Got a real good taste of deep snow shoveling the other week when old man winter dumped 22" over night. I had my little garden tractor with the 48" 2 stage blower decide it wasn't up to the task, the scraper blade on the blower was bad. Couldn't get my dads drive way so he got the neighbor around the corner to bring his Ford, can't remember the model, I know it's around 30 hp 4x4 with turf tires, size and weight is like a kubota L series and has the 770B fel on it. Anyway, he had his 72" box scraper on the back for weight and to push with, the loader worked like you figured, snow piled up in front until traction was lost and lifting and dumping was the only option. He did however do a great job in short order, he has many hours on heavy equip. from the construction field. The snow did get packed into the bucket requiring it to be dug out with a hand shovel, sometimes it was possible to bang the bucket and make most of it come out. I've had the luxury of using a snow blower, a back blade, and seeing either the neighbors Ford using the FEL and at work I've used a Cat 936 FEL to move snow. The FEL is nice, but it leaves some small coating of snow or ice which get quite slick, only whay around it is putting lots of downward tip on the bucket and scraping real good. The back blade worked much like a plow, just not real neat when it came to hitting the lawn, and once you start piling snow your area will get smaller and smaller as winter progresses. I've seen shoes for the back blades but have not had the chance to see how well they work.

To me the ticket is a snow blower, you have no snow banks to contend with, it just throws it out a long ways. You can scrape a concrete driveway down real well, the yard is a problem during the 1st couple snow falls, then once it gets hard you can float the blower over it without much damage. Only real drag with a blower is the amount of snow you can wear when the wind is not in your favor. All things considered I would have a snow blower over a FEL and back blade when it comes to moving lots of white stuff.

 

[PaulB]

My 1700 is listed at I think 1450 pounds. The figure of 2.9 gpm hydraulic flow is way low. What ever it is for the 2400, it is the same for the 1700/2100. The 1700/2100/2400 are identical in every way except for the bore of the cylinders and the width of the tires fitted (although curiously enough my 1700 came to me with the tires listed for the 2100) The 1700 has a 900 cc motor, the 2100 has a displacement of 1000 cc, and the 2400 is 1100cc. All 3 have many nice features missing on other machines, including the BX. We have already mentioned position control, but also a tachometer, softer steering wheel, bigger gas tank, higher backed seat, and some other features are present on the 1700/2100/2400 and 2410, but not on the 7300/7400/7500. This years 2410 has some subtle improvements, not the least of which is a lighted dashboard, but I think the running gear is the same as the older 2400. I use a rear blade exclusively for snow, I even take the front loader off during the winter because it as useless as **** on a boar for snow. I can blade 12 inches of snow off my 300 foot driveway easily, and have a blast doing it too!

 

[hayden]

My 2 cents:

If you get a loader, get a machine with power steering. I had trouble turning my B2400 with a ful load on pavement even with power steering.

Buy the biggest machine you can afford. It's cheeper to buy the right machine now than to trade up later.

I don't have any first hand experience with the BX machines, but given the list of things you want to do, I'd get at least a B7500, specifically to get PS, a reasonable loader, and position control.

I've had a B2400 and it was a fine machine. I suspect you would be able to find a used one since I think many people like me have found the 2400 to be a bit too small and until this year there was nothing bigger unless you went to the L series which was too big. I traded for a 2910.

 

[Stephen]

Thanks for the specs input PaulB and Hayden,

The 2.9gpm hydraulic pump figure for B1700, B2100 came from the tractortips website and as I said I have a LOT of doubts about the figures there. I *suspect* that there are dual 2.9gpm pumps which would match the 5.8gpm given for the B2400, make sense.

All B1700 and B2100s have PS & position control ! Wow that's great. That really expands the used tractors I can consider. I've taken the comments about the desirability of power steering to heart too.

After correcting some typos and finding some old data sheet info on various dealer websites and adding in comments and my guesses based on PaulB and Haydens notes I have ...


B/BX series Hydromatic Drive Tractor Specs (tentative)

Model - Gross/PTO horsepower, Steering/Position, Weight,
Lift/Lift@24", Pump Capacity. Tach

BX1800 - 18/13.7hp, PS/DC, 1255lb, 1210/680lb, 5.5gpm, NoTach
BX2200 - 22/16.7hp, PS/DC, 1300lb, 1210/680lb, 5.5gpm, NoTach
B7400 - 16/12.5hp, MS/DC, 1290lb, 1356/1058lb, 3.9gpm, Tach
B7500 - 24/16hp, PS/DC, 1367lb, 1356/1058lb, 7.0gpm, Tach
B2410 - 24/18hp, PS/PC, 1477lb, 1655/1300lb. 7.0gpm, Tach
B2710 - 27/20hp, PS/PC, 1741lb, 1655/1300lb. 9.5gpm, Tach
B2910 - 30/22hp, PS/PC, 1763lb, 1655/1300lb. 9.5gpm, Tach

B1700 - 17/13hp, PS/PC, 1402lb, 1280/1015lb, 5.8gpm, Tach
B2100 - 21/16hp, PS/PC, 1428lb, 1280/1015lb, 5.8gpm, Tach
B2400 - 24/18hp, PS/PC, 1461lb, 1280/1015lb, 5.8gpm, Tach
B7100 - 16/13hp, MS/DC, 1265lb, 1036/#lb, 3.6gpm, ?
B7300 - 16/12.5hp, MS/DC, 1312lb, 1100/860lb, 3.9gpm, ?

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PS - power_steering
MS - manual_steering
PC _ position_control
DC - directional_control

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So the B1700/2100/2400 and B2410 are starting to look very attractive to me, with the BX2200 and BX7500 still in the running.

My question on performance and horsepower. I see on Steve Carver's 'tips' page at
http://www.carverequipment.com/tips.htm
that he is strongly in favor of the compacts 'B's over the subcompact 'BX's, making statements like the B7300 @16hp is 50% more tractor and 20% "more efficient" at mowing than the 22hp BX2200.

I'm not fool enough to rate any machine by horsepower alone. Better design for a given application can make up for a lot of raw hp. At a certain point you are just spinning your wheels harder with those extra HP. So is Carver's statements justified ?

All the units I'm considering fall between 1300lb and 1477 lbs so weight isn't an issue. The wheelbases and heights, especially on the BX vary quite a bit. Could I really finish mow any faster or better with a B7300s 12.5pto-hp or a B7500s 16pto-hp vs a BX2200 w/ 16.7pto-hp ? Seems unlikely to me. This is a very important question, since ultimately I'll be putting in more hours mowing after the first couple years of landscaping and garden prep than anything else. What am I missing ?

I could believe that there are design factors that make a B7500 or B2100 better suited to 'tractor' application than a BX2200. FEL lift capacity on a BX is 480lbs vs 685 to 760lbs for the various B7x00/B2x10 line FELS. I would think that height might make post hole digging difficult on the short BX2200 even tho the extra pto-hp would be a big advantage.

Are there any big differnces in the transmissions on these units ?

I guess I feel that the BX was built to mow with light duty tractoring built on, but units like the B2400 are tractors with mowing capability as part of the design. I mean if I intended to use a FEL every day a never mow, the BXs wouldn't be in consideration despite comparable specs. I *think* my application with some post-hole digging, landscaping and moving downed timber is on the edge for a BX2200 despite the superior horsepower. Is the B2100 a step up from the BX2200 in these 'tractor' appications ?


I occasionally see some Kubota B-series numbers I don't recognize, like the B2150 which tractortips claims is 24/18hp made from 1988-1998, or the B1550/B1750. Can anyone explain what these are ? They seem to be heavier and have higher HP engines than their names would suggest.