Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit!

   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #121  
Hmmm. If DOT Says you need a strap on each corner, I wonder why all of the flatbeds I've pulled only had winches on one side? Section 393.128 Automobiles, light trucks and vans, which are 10,000 lbs. or less must be restrained at both the front and rear to prevent lateral, foward, rearward and vertical movement using a "minimum of two tie downs". This includes anything that rolls like tractors. I think I might have been right, but I'm just a dumb truck driver. Check out this site DOT cargo securement
 
   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #122  
Dargo,
Do you own stock in a transport chain company? You have caused dozens of us to go out and buy new chains. What will you scare us with next? 10 ply steel belted radial trailer tires? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just kidding.... I'm glad that you are ok and were able to share your story. Alot of us learned from it.
 
   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #123  
That's the benefit of this site. You can learn the good, the bad and the ugly of a subject without soiling your own shorts. Some of us have to experience something to learn for ourself. Others are wise enough to learn from other's experiences without going through the ordeal itself. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #124  
If it says minimum of two that mean one front and rear only then. I was planning on two and maybe four to secure my BX. I using 3333# WLL straps and not chain however.
 
   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #125  
Nowhere in my reply did I indicate a "dumb truck driver", nowhere. If you read that in to the message, I apologize. I reread my message to make sure; your comment was not even insinuated.

The rules I mentioned were directly from California Highway Patrol, Commercial Enforcement. They are from Ca-DOT, and the officers mentioned they were based on Fed-DOT.

I have had to have a car and a pickup towed. Both were done on flatbed roll-back tow rigs. In each case, four independant restraints were used.

I received this information over the phone when I contacted the Sacramento, Ca office of CHP, Commercial Enforcement. I still use two chains, set so each tractor-to-trailer connect point is independant of the others. A section of chain or a binder may fail, but the other portion of the the chain and second binder on that section will not be affected. CHP indicated this fits in the Ca-DOT regs.

In reply to an email to CHP, I recieved the following:
<font color="blue"> Dear Sir:

The California Highway Patrol (CHP), Commercial Vehicle Section received your e-mail dated March 14, 2004, regarding the proper way to secure your small tractor to a trailer.

Section 29004 (a) (3) of the California Vehicle Code (VC) states in part, any vehicle transported on a conventional trailer shall be secured by at least four tiedown chains, straps, or an equivalent device. In addition, it is your responsibility to ensure the vehicle is safely secured for transportation on the highway. The type of securement device you use is only limited to its ability to safely secure the load. Therefore, a ratchet style cargo strap may be utilized to secure your load.</font>

You are correct, Fed-DOT says what you mention.

So, which regs should you use? Do California regs superceed Federal regs, within the state? If I am trailering my little Kubota from here in N.Calif to my family's down in S. Calif and get pulled over, my four independant tie points should be fine.

But, what happens when you roll through California from Arizona in a big rig with a couple little Kubota's and a John Deere CUT on your flatbed trailer, with only two tie points per tractor? If you get pulled over, does CHP refer to Ca-DOT regs, or to Fed-DOT regs since you haul interstate?

It would appear, if I went interstate with four independant tie points, there should be no issue because it exceeds Fed-DOT requirements???

FYI for all, here is Federal-DOT reg 393.128:
<font color="red"> §393.128 What are the rules for securing automobiles, light trucks and vans?

1. Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of automobiles, light trucks, and vans which individually weigh 4,536 kg. (10,000 lbs) or less. Vehicles which individually are heavier than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) must be secured in accordance with the provisions of §393.130 of this part.
2. Securement of automobiles, light trucks, and vans.
1. Automobiles, light trucks, and vans must be restrained at both the front and rear to prevent lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical movement using a minimum of two tiedowns.
2. Tiedowns that are designed to be affixed to the structure of the automobile, light truck, or van must use the mounting points on those vehicles that have been specifically designed for that purpose.
3. Tiedowns that are designed to fit over or around the wheels of an automobile, light truck, or van must provide restraint in the lateral, longitudinal and vertical directions.
4. Edge protectors are not required for synthetic webbing at points where the webbing comes in contact with the tires. §393.130 What are the rules for securing heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery?
1. Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery which operate on wheels or tracks, such as front end loaders, bulldozers, tractors, and power shovels and which individually weigh 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) or more. Vehicles, equipment and machinery which is lighter than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) may also be secured in accordance with the provisions of this section, with §393.128, or in accordance with the provisions of §§393.100 through 393.114.
2. Preparation of equipment being transported.
1. Accessory equipment, such as hydraulic shovels, must be completely lowered and secured to the vehicle.
2. Articulated vehicles shall be restrained in a manner that prevents articulation while in transit.
3. Securement of heavy vehicles, equipment ormachinery with crawler tracks or wheels.
1. In addition to the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, heavy equipment or machinery with crawler tracks or wheels must be restrained against movement in the lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical direction using a minimum of four tiedowns.
2. Each of the tiedowns must be affixed as close as practicable to the front and rear of the vehicle, or mounting points on the vehicle that have been specifically designed for that purpose. §393.132 What are the rules for securing flattened or crushed vehicles?
1. Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of vehicles such as automobiles, light trucks, and vans that have been flattened or crushed.
2. Prohibition on the use of synthetic webbing. The use of synthetic webbing to secure flattened or crushed vehicles is prohibited.
3. Securement of flattened or crushed vehicles. Flattened or crushed vehicles must be transported on vehicles which have:
1. Containment walls or comparable means on four sides which extend to the full height of the load and which block against movement of the cargo in the forward, rearward and lateral directions; or
2.
1. Containment walls or comparable means on three sides which extend to the full height of the load and which block against movement of the cargo in the forward, rearward and the lateral direction for which there is no containment wall or comparable means, and
2. A minimum of two tiedowns are required per vehicle stack; or
3.
1. Containment walls on two sides which extend to the full height of the load and which block against movement of the cargo in the forward and rearward directions, and
2. A minimum of three tiedowns are required per vehicle stack; or
4. A minimum of four tiedowns per vehicle stack.
5. In addition to the requirements of paragraphs (c)(2), (3), and (4), the following rules must be satisfied:
1. Vehicles used to transport flattened or crushed vehicles must be equipped with a means to prevent loose parts from falling from all four sides of the vehicle which extends to the full height of the cargo.
2. The means used to contain loose parts may consist of structural walls, sides or sideboards, or suitable covering material, alone or in combinations.
3. The use of synthetic material for containment of loose parts is permitted. </font>


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   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #126  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I've now made 5 trips with my new trailer and new chains and binders holding on my tractor. Nothing has moved in the least bit. Now, that's the way I like it! )</font>

Good thread Dargo. Thanks for sharing and getting the discussion going.

5 trips with that new trailer already!!! Boy, you do get the use out of your trailers. Pics would be nice when you have time.

Thanks,
Moon of Ohio
 
   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #127  
I'm just a dumb truckdriver, /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I doubt it! There are some tho, just like dumb cops and dumb carpenters. The guys I know that are drivers taught me how to drive 30 years after I got my drivers license. Don't sell yourself short. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Av8, I'm still working on the driveway thing. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Right now, if I drive partly into the ditch across the road, and take 2 cuts, I can make it that way it is. Not exactly convenient, but it works for now.

Although my truck, tractor, and trailer are filthy from several trips to my remote property, attached is a picture that proves that I did buy an appropriate sized trailer and the appropriate tie down equipment after my near disaster. A friend calls it my "near miss". If I nearly missed something, wouldn't that mean that I hit it? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

To answer a few more questions; no, I don't have stock in a chain manufacturer, yes, I am nuts, yes, I'd pick Chinese made chain over straps anytime, I did spend the extra money and bought US made chain and binders myself, no, I didn't actually soil my pants (came closer to wetting them if I recall correctly), yes, I greatly appreciate the posts of the federal DOT rules, yes, I printed them out, yes, I did read them, no, I'm not nearly finished planting my 5000 or so trees, and yes (duplicate), I am nuts. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Did I miss any? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I had no intent of scaring anyone when I posted this thread. I just know that before my wild ride that I firmly believed that two straps on each end would be plenty adequate to hold my tractor. It would have been difficult to convince me otherwise. I'll just say that I'm considerbly more humble and feel that I've had a self inflicted "attitude adjustment". I'd momentarily forgotten how much I don't know. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I just hoped that I could show my ignorance so perhaps someone else didn't suffer a fate worse than mine for believing what I believed. Know what I mean??
 

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   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #129  
Dargo,
No pic. Please try again. Nevermind ...it's there now.

Nice setup. It does look LONG!

Moon of Ohio
 
   / Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit! #130  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I just hoped that I could show my ignorance so perhaps someone else didn't suffer a fate worse than mine for believing what I believed. Know what I mean?? )</font>
I'm just waiting for the day when you post this statement in the Kioti forum /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I clicked on your picture, and immediately had to get a tissue to wipe the drool from my chin! What a great setup you have now. John
 

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