LBrown59
Super Star Member
- Joined
- Oct 27, 2004
- Messages
- 16,831
- Tractor
- 2003 Kubota BX1500/2004 Kubota Bx23/2005 Kubota BX1500
Can you blame him?
Ratcheting tie downs BROKE in transit!
- Thread starter Dargo
- Start date
- Views: 27448
sandman2234
Super Member
- Joined
- Dec 4, 2005
- Messages
- 6,008
- Location
- Jacksonville, Florida
- Tractor
- JD2555 and a few Allis Chalmers and now one Kubota
HECK NO, I DON'T BLAME HIM!!!
But on the other hand, I did learn from my mistakes, and if I get into a situation where I don't have everything I need to tie a load down, or if I have to haul a heavier trailer than I think and should require trailer brakes, but doesn't, I make some serious modifications to my driving habits. Not that the O/P did or didn't, I don't know, but I do make some serious modifications and usually only to a point that the problem can be corrected.
Until the accident with the train last year, I had just over 2.4 million accident free miles in a tractor trailer, so I guess somebody must be watching out for me. That doesn't include any that didn't get logged or paid for, or in my personal vehicles, which could easily have been another 10-15%.
Hopefully I won't have any more accidents!
David from jax
But on the other hand, I did learn from my mistakes, and if I get into a situation where I don't have everything I need to tie a load down, or if I have to haul a heavier trailer than I think and should require trailer brakes, but doesn't, I make some serious modifications to my driving habits. Not that the O/P did or didn't, I don't know, but I do make some serious modifications and usually only to a point that the problem can be corrected.
Until the accident with the train last year, I had just over 2.4 million accident free miles in a tractor trailer, so I guess somebody must be watching out for me. That doesn't include any that didn't get logged or paid for, or in my personal vehicles, which could easily have been another 10-15%.
Hopefully I won't have any more accidents!
David from jax
shane
Gold Member
So that's how you get rid of pesky relatives. I got a brother-in-law I'm going to try this on.
OP
Dargo
Super Member
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2004
- Messages
- 5,981
- Location
- S. IN
- Tractor
- Jinma, Foton, TYM, Belarus, Yanmar, Branson, Montana, Mahindra and maybe some green and orange too.
Hello.
I'm the fool who originally thought that 4 ratcheting two inch straps that say 10,000 pounds on them would hold my tractor on my trailer. Obviously I was wrong. I promise that I've positively never hauled any of my tractors with anything less than 4 grade 70 3/8" made in the U.S. chain with equal rated binders. I also promptly bought a trailer with more than twice the capacity as to not only be safer on load ratings but to also try to prevent trailer flexing which, in review, seems to be what broke my straps in that first post. The dip in the highway allowed my trailer to flex out of being flat. When the trailer flexed back the forces were enough to snap the strap tie downs.
I erroneously thought that the four "heavy duty" straps would be sufficient. I was as hard headed as some people here still are about thinking they would be safe. Fortunately for me I got off relatively easy for my poor judgment. The entire reason for the post in the first place was to try to prevent someone from learning the same lesson the hard way and, possibly, having far worse results while learning that lesson. I personally am more comfortable with the higher quality control used in the manufacture of chain in the U.S. versus the same product made in China. However, I am convinced that even Chinese made grade 70 chain is far superior to using straps to secure a tractor to a trailer. Be safe out there.
I'm the fool who originally thought that 4 ratcheting two inch straps that say 10,000 pounds on them would hold my tractor on my trailer. Obviously I was wrong. I promise that I've positively never hauled any of my tractors with anything less than 4 grade 70 3/8" made in the U.S. chain with equal rated binders. I also promptly bought a trailer with more than twice the capacity as to not only be safer on load ratings but to also try to prevent trailer flexing which, in review, seems to be what broke my straps in that first post. The dip in the highway allowed my trailer to flex out of being flat. When the trailer flexed back the forces were enough to snap the strap tie downs.
I erroneously thought that the four "heavy duty" straps would be sufficient. I was as hard headed as some people here still are about thinking they would be safe. Fortunately for me I got off relatively easy for my poor judgment. The entire reason for the post in the first place was to try to prevent someone from learning the same lesson the hard way and, possibly, having far worse results while learning that lesson. I personally am more comfortable with the higher quality control used in the manufacture of chain in the U.S. versus the same product made in China. However, I am convinced that even Chinese made grade 70 chain is far superior to using straps to secure a tractor to a trailer. Be safe out there.
FredH
Platinum Member
At least you were using some sort of tie down to begin with . Yesterday , Better half and myself loaded up the pick-up with garbage for a trip to the transfer station . Across the street from the stop sign were I turn right , then another right into transfer station . Sits this SUV / Small Pick-up ( had a canopy on it maybe , was not really looking at the tow rig but rather what he was or I should say HAD been towing ) . Anyway , rig is sitting there with what looks to be a double axle boat trailer that has a serious problem between first axle and hitch . It is bowed / bent so bad that the second axle is completely off the ground . What the ??? . Then I see 2 guys in the ditch on the other side trying to muscle what appears to be at least a 400 or more gallon green round water tank up out of the ditch back to the trailer .
I was laughing my arse off as we pulled into the transfer station telling my wife exactly what I thought happened . No tie downs ( or very inadequate ones ) , loaded tank just sitting on trailer , Hit brakes to hard before trying to make right turn , tank slides forward onto tongue in front of front axle bending the tar out of the trailer then rolled over the side of trailer into ditch . All this equaled 1 badly bent boat trailer and one now empty water tank .
Seen him before we entered the transfer station , trying to jump up and down on back of trailer to try and bend it back down !
Since it is election time , that is my nomination for the Darwin award .
Fred H.
) . Anyway , rig is sitting there with what looks to be a double axle boat trailer that has a serious problem between first axle and hitch . It is bowed / bent so bad that the second axle is completely off the ground . What the ??? . Then I see 2 guys in the ditch on the other side trying to muscle what appears to be at least a 400 or more gallon green round water tank up out of the ditch back to the trailer .I was laughing my arse off as we pulled into the transfer station telling my wife exactly what I thought happened . No tie downs ( or very inadequate ones ) , loaded tank just sitting on trailer , Hit brakes to hard before trying to make right turn , tank slides forward onto tongue in front of front axle bending the tar out of the trailer then rolled over the side of trailer into ditch . All this equaled 1 badly bent boat trailer and one now empty water tank .
Seen him before we entered the transfer station , trying to jump up and down on back of trailer to try and bend it back down !
Since it is election time , that is my nomination for the Darwin award .
Fred H.
patrick_g
Elite Member
I don't want to dissuade anyone from buying quality US made safety equipment but consider this... Binders typically will fit at least two sizes of chain. If you buy binders that can fit your chain but are sized for the next larger chain you will get quite an increase in robustness and have considerably lowered your risk. Lower quality binders in an oversize configuration are significantly safer than the "right size" binders of similar quality.
I do get a few laughs and comments regarding the size and length of my chains (larger size than needed, longer than needed, and grade 70 DOT approved. I DO NOT subscribe to the "good ole boy" school of tie down.
The fire hose suggestion for anti-abrasion is very good if available. Ship chandlers (and other boating supply outlets) sell anti chafe gear for dock lines in various materials including plastic, canvas, leather, and such.
A length of rubber hose works pretty good too, especially if you can take the hook off the end. If you can remove the hook then do so, slip the length(s) of hose(s) over the chain and replace the hook. You can pierce the hose at both ends to accept small stuff (small diameter line to use to secure the hose in place along the chain where it is needed.) Wire works to secure the anti chafe gear but the cordage lasts through many reuses.
If the hooks don't come off easily you can cut a rubber hose (I have used 1 1/2 inch clear plastic hose) in a spiral manner (fairly wide not a thin strip) which can be wrapped around the chain where you want it and secured with tape, wire, or small cords. You can use duct tape around the chain in the "right spot" but it deteriorates and if the right spot changes a bit you can't slide it to where it is actually needed.
A quick anti chafe set up is to use an old rag, shirt, leg cut from worn out jeans or similar wrapped around the chain where needed and secured with cord or tape.
Hope this nautical infusion helps.
Pat
I do get a few laughs and comments regarding the size and length of my chains (larger size than needed, longer than needed, and grade 70 DOT approved. I DO NOT subscribe to the "good ole boy" school of tie down.
The fire hose suggestion for anti-abrasion is very good if available. Ship chandlers (and other boating supply outlets) sell anti chafe gear for dock lines in various materials including plastic, canvas, leather, and such.
A length of rubber hose works pretty good too, especially if you can take the hook off the end. If you can remove the hook then do so, slip the length(s) of hose(s) over the chain and replace the hook. You can pierce the hose at both ends to accept small stuff (small diameter line to use to secure the hose in place along the chain where it is needed.) Wire works to secure the anti chafe gear but the cordage lasts through many reuses.
If the hooks don't come off easily you can cut a rubber hose (I have used 1 1/2 inch clear plastic hose) in a spiral manner (fairly wide not a thin strip) which can be wrapped around the chain where you want it and secured with tape, wire, or small cords. You can use duct tape around the chain in the "right spot" but it deteriorates and if the right spot changes a bit you can't slide it to where it is actually needed.
A quick anti chafe set up is to use an old rag, shirt, leg cut from worn out jeans or similar wrapped around the chain where needed and secured with cord or tape.
Hope this nautical infusion helps.
Pat
schmism
Super Member
OP
Dargo
Super Member
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2004
- Messages
- 5,981
- Location
- S. IN
- Tractor
- Jinma, Foton, TYM, Belarus, Yanmar, Branson, Montana, Mahindra and maybe some green and orange too.
huh?
i still dont understand why we dig up 3 year old posts, then post that?!?!
Pole Barn with no permit - Page 8 - TractorByNet.com
gemini5362
Veteran Member
Hello.
I personally am more comfortable with the higher quality control used in the manufacture of chain in the U.S. versus the same product made in China. However, I am convinced that even Chinese made grade 70 chain is far superior to using straps to secure a tractor to a trailer. Be safe out there.
Ok maybe it is a simple question but how do you know you are getting US made chain versus chinese made chain ?
OP
Dargo
Super Member
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2004
- Messages
- 5,981
- Location
- S. IN
- Tractor
- Jinma, Foton, TYM, Belarus, Yanmar, Branson, Montana, Mahindra and maybe some green and orange too.
U.S. chain has a more metallic taste when compared to the Chinese chain that sort of tastes like old battle ships with a bit of salt, grease and even glass mixed in.
Actually, on one chain I know it has "G70" on some links and has "USA" on the back side of those links. But, still, I can't say for sure the chain wasn't made in China saying it was made in the U.S. At that point I just have to take the word of the people selling the chain.