Ram vs Dodge/Chrysler - how complete is the separation?

[WinterDeere]

Seems like a silly argument, when both have been working in countless millions of applications, for about 100 years. Isn't the choice of block configuration chosen as much by the available space (eg. motorcycles, airplanes, battleships), as anything else?

 

[Hay Dude]

Mine have been fantastic.

I don't know where that leaves the conversation.

Probably depends on who uses their trucks for what.
Here’s my Cummins in-line six entry.
GCWR about 48,000lbs on this load.

 

[Hay Dude]

It's also the cheapest to build...you forgot that.

Nothing wrong with that.
Cheaper, longer lasting, more torque and longevity????
Sign me up!

 

[Hay Dude]

More internal bearing surface with the V.

More crank bearing support with in line.

Don't need a long stroke to get the same power.

HP? mabes , but I want more torque, not more HP

Can use more of the RPM band.

And consequently suck down more $4/G fuel, so there’s that.

Cooling doesn't have the cavitation issues with a long block.

Are you kidding? 7.3L Powerstrokes were widely known for cavitation.

V motors are best served by a turbo supplying each bank, therefore they can be smaller and spin faster allowing for better low end torque.

Which also means lots more expensive, more air plumbing, more to break and LOTS of width under the hood. Can you say complicated/high cost of ownership?

 

[DarkBlack]

V motors are best served by a turbo supplying each bank, therefore they can be smaller and spin faster allowing for better low end torque.

The new Stellantis inline 6 we are discussing will be available with 2 turbos. Each feeding 3 cylinders. Doesn’t matter if it’s a V8 configuration with 2 turbos feeding 2 banks. The turbo doesn’t care about the orientation of the cylinder bores.
The HP, and Ft/Lb #’s speak for themselves

 

[Hay Dude]

The V-heads are a die-hard bunch….
I have never seen an engine configuration disappear faster.

 

[DarkBlack]

The world’s largest engine. A straight-14. Each piston weighs over 12,000 lbs, with a stroke over 8 feet.
Redline is 102 Rpm’s

World's Largest Engine has 109,000 HP

Ships used in the international shipping industry require a large engine, producing enough power for an entire town, the Wärtsilä RTA96C-14 does the job.

interestingengineering.com

 

[WinterDeere]

The V-8’s are a die-hard bunch.

They're under-achievers. Give me a good V10, any day.

 

[Hay Dude]

The new Stellantis inline 6 we are discussing will be available with 2 turbos. Each feeding 3 cylinders. Doesn’t matter if it’s a V8 configuration with 2 turbos feeding 2 banks. The turbo doesn’t care about the orientation of the cylinder bores.
The HP, and Ft/Lb #’s speak for themselves

And the really cool thing is with turbo(s) you open up the availability of a exhaust/compression brake.

It’s the turbo that makes the torque, the responsiveness and the exhaust brake.
Everyone wants that.

 

[319Quahog]

The V-heads are a die-hard bunch….
I have never seen an engine configuration disappear faster.

Meh, I've had 12 and 24V Cummins Dodge W250s (93 and early 2000s-might have been be 02). Currently have a 1/2 ton Ram with the 5.7.

You won't catch me anywhere near a newly released engine/transmission combo.

If I need a new truck in the the next 5 years, it will have to be the 3/4 ton with the 6.4 gas in it. Would do Cummins, but it doesn't match my usage and the heck with modern emissions on those things.