RAM 1500 V6 8-speed test.

[Dmace]

I believe he was just saying the little v6 ecoboost out tows his old Dodge that was heavy duty so I guess it was a 2500 or 3500.

And I'm saying my V8 HEMI out tows my old Ford diesel. It has nothing to do with manufacturers but shows just how technology has advanced.

Why are you Ford guys always trying to compare brand new trucks to yesterdays iron? Comparing the RAM V6 and new 8 speed to the still new Ecoboost is not comparing old to new. It's showing just how close a well designed simple powertrain can compare to tons of expensive unreliable technology.

By the way Ham, what's that Ecoboost get for fuel mileage while towing what your old HD truck did? :laughing:

 

[94BULLITT]

And I'm saying my V8 HEMI out tows my old Ford diesel. It has nothing to do with manufacturers but shows just how technology has advanced.

Why are you Ford guys always trying to compare brand new trucks to yesterdays iron? Comparing the RAM V6 and new 8 speed to the still new Ecoboost is not comparing old to new. It's showing just how close a well designed simple powertrain can compare to tons of expensive unreliable technology.

By the way Ham, what's that Ecoboost get for fuel mileage while towing what your old HD truck did? :laughing:

I don't believe he was really comparing it to the dodge he was just saying. You are way too close minded. If he said the dodge out towed the ecoboost you would have been all over that.

The fiat or is that phiat v6 with 8 speed is not comparable to the ecoboost. Look how much better the ecoboost did in the towing competiton that you posted.

 

[Dmace]

The fiat or is that phiat v6 with 8 speed is not comparable to the ecoboost. Look how much better the ecoboost did in the towing competiton that you posted.

Amazingly, you still don't get it. This is NOT a direct comparison, they are just showing how well it performs. If by "towing competition" I posted you mean the best sub-$30k truck, read it again. There is no Ecoboost, for $30k in a Ford you can't even get a quad cab let alone the Ecoboost. Ford had to send an extended cab 5.0l. :laughing:

Comparing a new 8-speed transmission to a 6-speed is similar to comparing an truck from 8 years ago. Not a fair comparison.

You really think this 8 speed transmission is worth 8 years of development over what Ford currently offers? Wow, little faith in your product huh?

Give me an ecoboost with that 8-speed and that would be the best combination for a gas powered truck using today's technology.

Wasn't it you that said the 8 speed transmission would only be a bandaid for an engine with a poor torque curve? Now your precious Ecoboost would benefit from one?

 

[94BULLITT]

Amazingly, you still don't get it. This is NOT a direct comparison, they are just showing how well it performs. If by "towing competition" I posted you mean the best sub-$30k truck, read it again. There is no Ecoboost, for $30k in a Ford you can't even get a quad cab let alone the Ecoboost. Ford had to send an extended cab 5.0l. :laughing:

It seems to be a direct comparisoin on some aspects for you. I was refering to post #3 on the towing.

You can buy crew cab Ford 4x4 5.0's all day long for less than 30k and there are few ecoboost for crew cab 4x4's for under 30k . I realize the test was going off of MSRP. What is so funny about the 5.0? I would much rather have a extended cab V8 than a base v6 crew cab. Who in reality is going to buy the pentastar ram? I bet most will be used for a company truck. Nobody wants a V6 in fullsize truck except for the Ecoboost. I would not buy a F-150 with a 3.7 even if if had a 10 speed.

 

[Hay Dude]

It seems to be a direct comparisoin on some aspects for you. I was refering to post #3 on the towing.

You can buy crew cab Ford 4x4 5.0's all day long for less than 30k and there are few ecoboost for crew cab 4x4's for under 30k . I realize the test was going off of MSRP. What is so funny about the 5.0? I would much rather have a extended cab V8 than a base v6 crew cab. Who in reality is going to buy the pentastar ram? I bet most will be used for a company truck. Nobody wants a V6 in fullsize truck except for the Ecoboost. I would not buy a F-150 with a 3.7 even if if had a 10 speed.

hmmmm, and I hear ford brag all day long about how their sixes outperform the competitions eights.....
Ford "borrowed" that ecoboost concept (to put it nicely). I bet youll see similar engines out there soon. Too bad for us, they're more complicated and make the dealer service departments more like a drive through bank than a repair shop for the dealers....

I know there's no brand bashing allowed here so we try to keep it to the facts, there's no other way to say it so I guess the only thing to say is GM and Chrysler build and use some GREAT engines in their trucks!!! lol

 

[94BULLITT]

Dont even get them started on max power output RPM's. Then their diesels really get out performed by the other brands.....
My former 6L's max torque is developed at a lot higher rpm than my one year older dmax. lol
No wonder they get worse fuel mileage....
My current 6.4L aint much better.....

Wow 200rpm difference.

 

[Diamondpilot]

That's the beauty of the 8 speed. Makes an otherwise pretty mundane gas v-6 look a lot better. The efficiency of a Diesel engine is magnified when you give is a close ratio, efficient shifting transmission with an extra gear or two over the competition.
GM showed up Ford on speed and towing tests the same way. Back a few years ago when Ford has all their glossy brochures and keyboard racers touting their new 400+ HP scorpio diesel, GM was still able to out pull and outrace the new Ford with a 390hp older dmax. It's also how GM was able to build a consistently faster truck than ford since the advent of the dmax over 10 years ago. GM always had the more efficient transmission with better tc lockup and more locked up gears than ford.
Buddy of mine that owns a local transmission shop for over 30 years and he would show me bench top comparisons of internal parts on opened up GM & ford transmissions since the mid 90's. The consistent theme was GM was always bigger, stronger, more efficient and most of all, less often repaired in the transmission shop. The Allison was an unbelievable leap forward over anything Ford had and forced ford to finally start building something more than a 4 speed car transmission with a bigger torque converter on the front of it. I rebuilt a bunch of them e4ods and 4r100's. Never rebuilt an Allison. Torqshift was big improvement but probably never would have been built util ford was forced to step up to the plate and do it.
Now I don't know how that compares to a "BIL" or neighbor story because I know it's just a guy who's never been on the internet with thousands of rah rah ford posts. He just owned a transmission shop and repaired thousands of transmissions for over 30 years, but I thought I'd share my personal experience.
Transmissions make a HUGE difference in the performance of the engine it is mated to. I would much rather have a lower powered diesel with a 6-8 speed than a more powerful diesel with a 5-6 speed. Fuel efficiency and towing performance is better. That's what these trucks are made for.

I guess your brand loyalty makes it impossible for you to believe the Allison 1000 is not all its cracked up to be. The Torque Shift continually takes the best tranny award.

The Allison is just a marketing ploy for the blind masses. 06 and later with the 6 speed are much better but the C1, 2, 3 clutch issues and cooler leaking shows they are not the end all of trannys. At $3500 for repair or more for a rebuilt unit its also about the most expensive unit to work on.

My friend Raleigh is going through this right now. Never towed more then 7,000# travel trailer twice a year to his parking spot at a camp ground. His 05 can not move under its own power but if rolling it will go if you feather the throttle. He was quoted $3500 to $4000 by three shops to rebuild. Its only got 136,000 miles as a highway queen.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/chevy/1003dp_allison_1000_transmission/viewall.html

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

I don't believe he was really comparing it to the dodge he was just saying. You are way too close minded. If he said the dodge out towed the ecoboost you would have been all over that.

The fiat or is that phiat v6 with 8 speed is not comparable to the ecoboost. Look how much better the ecoboost did in the towing competiton that you posted.

Yep. The Fiat Dodge did ok pulling it own weight, I will give them that. The Ford was pulling 180% its own weight and still topped it. Lol

Put a 8 speed behind the Eco and thst Fiat Dodge will be so far behind they will think they are in the lead. Lol

Chris

 

[94BULLITT]

Yep. The Fiat Dodge did ok pulling it own weight, I will give them that. The Ford was pulling 180% its own weight and still topped it. Lol

Put a 8 speed behind the Eco and thst Fiat Dodge will be so far behind they will think they are in the lead. Lol

Chris

Amazingly the 8 speed does not get better mileage than the Ford in the city, maybe too much gear changing? Doesn't the Pentastar have start/ stop on some models?

Ford 3.7 17 city 23 highway
Ram 3.6 17 city 25 highway

The Ram also has active grille shutters and air suspension so is the 8 speed improving MPGs? I guess when you are a Ram truck guy you nothing to get excited over but the base V6:confused3:

 

[Hay Dude]

I guess your brand loyalty makes it impossible for you to believe the Allison 1000 is not all its cracked up to be. The Torque Shift continually takes the best tranny award.

The Allison is just a marketing ploy for the blind masses. 06 and later with the 6 speed are much better but the C1, 2, 3 clutch issues and cooler leaking shows they are not the end all of trannys. At $3500 for repair or more for a rebuilt unit its also about the most expensive unit to work on.

My friend Raleigh is going through this right now. Never towed more then 7,000# travel trailer twice a year to his parking spot at a camp ground. His 05 can not move under its own power but if rolling it will go if you feather the throttle. He was quoted $3500 to $4000 by three shops to rebuild. Its only got 136,000 miles as a highway queen.
Allison 1000 Transmission - GM Diesel Trucks - Diesel Power Magazine

Chris

Yet another in the thousands of "my friend/neighbor/BIL" stories.....