R1s or R4s?

[greenmule]

Well,never had a little bx,must not be good in mud than if it won't leave tracks in a wet yard!
[its no so much tearing up the yard I've noticed with ags,its the real deep lug imprint they make,and when yard dries,you got a washboard kinda thing going on]

 

[spruce Deere]

The damage I get on lawns is R-1 lug tracks, a little scuffn on a sharp turn but not bad with the 790. With rear tire ballast

 

[LBrown59]

1*Well,never had a little bx,must not be good in mud then if it won't leave tracks in a wet yard!
2*its no so much tearing up the yard I've noticed with ags,its the real deep lug imprint they make,and when yard dries,you got a washboard kinda thing going on..

1*Never gotten any of my BXs hung up in mud or on anything else.
That's easly prevented by not getting on it when it's to wet and soft.
2*As for lug imprints I just drive my BX 1500 with the turfs over them.
Irons the imprints right out pretty good.
Lots easier than filling in ruts created by a spinning turf tire.

The damage I get on lawns is R-1 lug tracks, a little scuffn on a sharp turn but not bad with the 790. With rear tire ballast

Thats a bigger heavier tractor than my BXs.

 

[Willl]

Spruce, wish we were closer. We could have a tractor pull off.

My 790 against yours with the only diff being R1s to R4s.

I'm afraid to say I'd be putting my money on your R1s.

 

[KeithInSpace]

...maintain a gravel driveway...haul wood in the winter. R4s...still offer the traction needed for winter work.

I personally run turfs, but have noted discussion such as these in the past.

On finished turf, I believe R1's to be just fine if you can live with the chance of "chevrons" if you're on soft lawn. Turfs are perfect, but if they slip, they'll leave a mark. R1's probably won't slip, but if they do they'll leave a hole.

You've worked with R1s, so you'd know better than anyone what they'll do to your gravel drive.

Some may have a strong differing opinion, but I believe TURF tires to be best suited for smaller snow storms. R1s have a clear benefit if you're buried and clawing through tough snow, but once the snow is CLEARED, I'll drive laps around an R1 equipped tractor.

This will really stir the nest, but this is my opinion about R4s: I'm starting to believe that they aren't the best of both worlds, but the worst of both worlds. They don't have the deep lugs of R1 tires, so they'll only do so well in the dirt. They don't have much bite in turf. Nor do they have many "shoulders" (as turfs do) to work in the snow. I think R4s look good and are well suited to forklifts to distribute load while having more bite than a "slick" tire. But tractors need either R1 or Turf, depending on the function.

I would think you'd be best off with R1s.

 

[spruce Deere]

Willl, I could have got r-4s, They are a more beefy, bigger tire by design. But I had width restraints on me. Most of the work I do Traction trumps over most. I Do like my r-1s ALOT Nice loader grapple by the way.......

 

[LBrown59]

This will really stir the nest, but this is my opinion about R4s: I'm starting to believe.
*they aren't the best of both worlds, but the worst of both worlds.

Been my opinion all along.

 

[greenmule]

Turfs are made for..turf. Question was r1's or r4's in new york state,[think he should get turfs for snow removal and other stuff,over r4's or r1's??

 

[johnk]

I think there are really two purposeful tread patterns that do well for which they were made. Turfs for Turf and Ags for sloppy, muddy, hilly, snowy terrain and where a lot of pullling is involved. The R4's will do both but not as good as the other two....

 

[KeithInSpace]

think he should get turfs for snow removal and other stuff,over r4's or r1's??

He didn't ask about turfs, so my conclusion wasn't "buy turfs". R1s vs. R4s, I would think that R1s would be the way to go.

Please understand that in our area, "snow" is 6 inches and "hella snow" is 12 inches. I can count 18+ inch snows that I remember in my LIFETIME on 3 fingers.

With that understanding, and to your point, I feel strongly that turf tires will outperform R1/Ag tires every day of the week and twice on Tuesday in low-snow and ice conditions. I apologize for not modifying/adjusting my opinion based on regional atmospheric conditions.

Also, if moving firewood over finished turf (from the 'back nine' to the back door, for example), the turf tires will do better with a fully loaded FEL in not messing up the lawn.

But in his case, it seems that R1s are the deal.

 

[greenmule]

Alright than,always thought the big debate was tween r1's and r4's? but guess some think them turf tires are the best thing for traction??

[see,I told you this was the 64,000 dollar question. pretty soon somebody who has steel tires will tell us that they are the best]

 

[KeithInSpace]

"Best thing for traction"? No. Definitely not.

Better on ice. Better on snowfalls smaller than 6".

Best thing for traction outside the two above conditions: R1. However, they leave marks on soft grass and can dig quite a hole if not used carefully on turf.

Best thing on concrete: R4. Ride better than R1 and do better in mud than Turf, but are distinctly poor on ice. And I'd rather turf than R4 on packed gravel.

But no...never said Turf was the cure-all for "traction".

Honestly, in my first post, I was just trying to add perspective...only that turfs have a place in the world and aren't only for golf course greens. Didn't mean it to turn into a thing.

 

[greenmule]

It ain't no thing. [remember we are talking about which kinda tire,and you know all the things on here already about that topic],but its a good topic??

 

[rpraymond]

Well for me the debate is over. Ordered a new B2320 w/FEL and R1s. I know that they'll work for most of my needs. The dealer said they can deliver by the weekend. I'm excited no matter what tires are on it! Thanks for all the relies. It certainly was an interesting topic.

 

[rpraymond]

So I tell the dealer that I want the R1s and he tells me that they don't have any in stock! Now I have to wait until UPS delivers them and then I can get my tractor. I'm not sleeping very well! Again, thanks for all the opinions.

 

[johnk]

The R1's will be worth the wait...You'll be glad you got em!

 

[greenmule]

I heard r1's cost less,might want to ask him about that too.

 

[spruce Deere]

I second what johnk say. Its worth the wait, happiness will follow

 

[RadarTech]

Ya know I never considered R4s. and it cost me a week long wait for my tractor!

The dealer only had R4's on the tractors in stock.
Then they had to wait around for R1s!!!

This winter we had a single real snow fall of 1 foot.
the R1's were GREAT!!!

And I have dug some real nice holes with them too!!!!

Have you ever spun all 4 in 4wd and had the differential locked?

now that was a task! and I did not stall the tractor out!!!



and now I return you to the by monthly R1-R4-Turf discussion...



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[greenmule]

If I hadn't been in such a hurry[for no reason],to get this tractor home,I woulda told them to put r1's on mine.

But,[this is my first experience with r4's on a farm type tractor],after using them for a while now,I think,for me,they are best tire.

It depends on what your using your tractor for,conditions,etc.

Like I have said,there are advantages too both.

Just like a turf tire,if you were mowing yards or golf courses and maybe clearing your drive of a little snow,than they probably would be your best choice.

r1's with out a doubt provide better traction in mud and deeper snow.

R4's are tougher[well],are wider for better stability and if loaded,really help in this. Don't leave as deep a ruts as ags in places you don't want ruts.

On ice,ag's you would think would be the worst of the three[without chains],and with chains all three would probably be about equal,but the wider ones might be better there.

Just depends on what your using your tractor for,mainly.