R1 vs R3 or 4 Traction

[Texasmark]

Well that's simple enough. Going by main use, it's Ag R1's for traction in the field, Turf R3s for the lawn, and Industrial R4s for a compromise.

So is it best traction? Least damage? Or compromise? At least we get a choice.

As for use on slopes, well.... I prefer not to be there at all. Though if I have to go there I'll go with R3 turf tires. Not because turfs are so wonderful on slopes, but because both the other choices are worse - being narrower, higher, and with less side resistance.

BTW, I run 8 to 12 lbs pressure in the rears, work them hard, and never have had a tire slip on a rim.

rScotty

Interesting. I have slopes on pond dams running a ⅓ or better slope. Initially mowed with a tractor and R1s but didn't feel comfortable....rollover worry. Went to lawn mowers which came with turfs and they just lost it, both conventional riding and ZT....don't mow these with a tractor any longer.

Went from turfs to bar lugs on the mowers and they did ok up and down but not side (parallel) running. One area has trees right at the base of the slope so you have to parallel mow. Went from 12" dia wheels down to 8" with the same 23" OD using studded snow tires with soft sidewalls, running 5-10 psig and solved the problem and moving on to the large balloon deliberately created by changing wheel diameter got a soft ride mowing pasture perimeters.

ZT mower weighs about 1200# and it holds just fine. Main reason for using the mower rather than the tractor is that the mower has a low CG and wide frame as compared to the tractor having the opposite and I wasn't going to run the wheels out on a tractor just to mow that dam making it basically useless for it's intended purpose.

 

[Texasmark]

Would it be these that you are talking about (R14)

Titan International - R14T Crossover Tire for Compact Tractors

Interesting new designs. Glad to see somebody is paying attention to owner's tire desires.

 

[Texasmark]

Sounds as though R3s up front with R1s in the rear might be the best: best rear and front traction. Wonder if we can all get a matched set so the fronts don't over rotate much. Get most heavy duty R3s as possible if doing FEL work.

Ralph

This past week I have been cutting down and hauling/dragging away, Willow trees from in and around the pond, mostly sloping areas. The combination of OEM R4s on the front and weighted R1s on the rear is working just fine using the 2400 as it's small and maneuverable where I need that, yet tugs really well. 4wd and a good hand brake come in mighty handy too.

 

[Texasmark]

The answer all are seeking is simple;

One only needs multiple tractors with different tire setups for the kind of work they do with each tractor. :tractor:

Just why you see the lineup in my corral. I work alone and everything is different. Best solution is as you said.

 

[MechanicalGuy]

Why would tire type have anything to do with low pressure causing rim slipping? Especially with R1's supposedly being able to run low without slipping. I would think the tire traction on a tractive surface for it's construction would be the factor in slippage.

 

[Carl_NH]

^^^ What he said!

And you could read the entire site (or keep up with new material) in one setting.

Now, I don't even try.

X3 and what's really great is most have stuck around!

R4's are for me and my little TLB with rocks and rough ground, but grew up with R1's on the farm, and the R14's look interesting

 

[rScotty]

Why would tire type have anything to do with low pressure causing rim slipping? Especially with R1's supposedly being able to run low without slipping. I would think the tire traction on a tractive surface for it's construction would be the factor in slippage.

I was wondering the same thing, which Spyderlk answered in post #11. Apparently the problem of rim slippage is well known among people who use certain types of liquid fill in the tires. Beet juice especially. Plus most tractor tires start out as tubeless types.

Maybe that explains why I've haven't heard about slippage locally. Liquid fill is rare here, although cast iron weights are common.
rScotty

 

[Texasmark]

Why would tire type have anything to do with low pressure causing rim slipping? Especially with R1's supposedly being able to run low without slipping. I would think the tire traction on a tractive surface for it's construction would be the factor in slippage.

Stiff sidewall, even on the turf which was a total unexpected disappointment....... on a slick rim and no air pressure to force it against the wheel... lateral pressure and wala...instant tire breakaway from the rim, or linear pressure and tire slips. I did find that the sealing surface on the R1s was a lot more supple and more rubber vs cord where the seal is required. Having fluid in the tire or weights on the wheel just aggravate the problem.....tried both on this tractor with the first two types used and both failed.

 

[case580ck]

I was wondering the same thing, which Spyderlk answered in post #11. Apparently the problem of rim slippage is well known among people who use certain types of liquid fill in the tires. Beet juice especially. Plus most tractor tires start out as tubeless types.

Maybe that explains why I've haven't heard about slippage locally. Liquid fill is rare here, although cast iron weights are common.
rScotty

I run R4's on both my Kubota L4330 and on a very old Case backhoe 580CK. I would not use anything else because of the weight i often deal with and tending 'brush fires' etc. I do not use either when its raining or muddy because our soil would leave tracks for months, which it will even with turf tires on the zero turns. When you are going up a 45 degree incline with a full bucket or an 800lb mower and there is 17ft of water depth directly behind /under, you want all the bite you can get. at least I do.

by the way , which part of N. Texas are you in Texasmark ? i am in Waxahachie.

 

[MechanicalGuy]

I run R4's on both my Kubota L4330 and on a very old Case backhoe 580CK. I would not use anything else because of the weight i often deal with and tending 'brush fires' etc. I do not use either when its raining or muddy because our soil would leave tracks for months, which it will even with turf tires on the zero turns. When you are going up a 45 degree incline with a full bucket or an 800lb mower and there is 17ft of water depth directly behind /under, you want all the bite you can get. at least I do.

by the way , which part of N. Texas are you in Texasmark ? i am in Waxahachie.

45 degree inclines are pretty rare.