Questions about 2013 Massey Ferguson 1533 Rear Remote install

[JWR]

OK, If you have no need for more typical farm tractor implements run by (or moved up/down by) hydraulics, all you may be trying to do is tap into the hydraulic pump pressure on the tractor to operate something like a log splitter (??) If so all the discussion about remotes and RCVs etc. goes away. Then you have a simplified situation as follows:

You still, in that simplified situation, need to locate the output port plug on the loader valve (which may be labeled OUT or Power Beyond or ?) Look at the diagram and info on the loader valve on the web. You would need to do pretty much what you said originally before I went off on a more complex tale. i.e. just run a line from the output port to a handy location (probably on the rear of your tractor) and mount some common type of quick disconnects there as a pair -- one each for the pressure side and for the return line. You are probably right in your orig photos about that being a return line to the sump (and you would then run a line from the quick disconnect to the new tee you would install in the return-to-sump line.) The same diagram/info you find on the loader valve will also tell you which is the return line port and you can trace that back to the tractor sump an decide where to put your tee into it. Note: The pair of quick disconnects would ideally be male/female -- one for one flow direction and one for the other -- so that you could not get the wrong hose connected to the wrong line. One could just color code or something but far safer to use gender selection at the pair so you can't get them hooked up the wrong way.

All that done you would be set to do the following:

• feed high pressure flow to some device which has it's own control valve
• provide feedback of low pressure return fluid to the sump on the tractor.

Assuming that is your situation a few points to keep in mind are:

• there needs to be a pressure relief valve in the circuit somewhere (to avoid potential destruction of the expensive hyd pump on your tractor!) I think your front end loader valve is equipped with a pressure relief somewhere in that plumbing -- has to be. That SHOULD protect the pump from whatever you connect but you need to make sure of that. Any tractor dealer tech can point out the pressure relief in your configuration in a few seconds time.
• you would have to investigate the external implement/device (like the log splitter) to see what plumbing it requires. I have no knowledge of that & have only seen log splitters with their own 4 cycle Briggs and Stratton motor.

Now back to your other question: "Would this "feeder valve" [really meaning loader valve] get rid of any dead ending of the hydraulic pressure?" I do not know what you mean for sure. The loader valve will route high pressure flow to your external devices via the output port. That flow will have no control over it except at the controls on the external device. You don't need to worry about dead ending of the hydraulic pressure coming out of the loader valve ... it was after all a solid iron plug before you put in a line from it. If you were concerned about "dead ending" meaning blocking the output of the main hydraulic pump, that isn't going to happen when you have return lines both from the loader valve already on the tractor AND teed into that return line from your external device. As I said above you certainly have a pressure relief SOMEWHERE associated with the loader valve and that probably protects your main pump from anything you connect to the output port of the loader valve. I think it does but I want you to make sure of that by having someone (like a dealer tech) look at it. Better safe than sorry.

 

[DarkBlack]

I bought and installed a MF “power beyond kit” for my 2008 1540. Your newer 1533 might be very similar.
It came with everything and instructions. I had to remove a rear wheel and unscrew an access panel there. Pretty straightforward installation.
That should give you exactly what you’re looking for

 

[Casaid1]

I bought and installed a MF “power beyond kit” for my 2008 1540. Your newer 1533 might be very similar.
It came with everything and instructions. I had to remove a rear wheel and unscrew an access panel there. Pretty straightforward installation.
That should give you exactly what you’re looking for

What brand kit did you use and did it come with downloadable instructions?

 

[Casaid1]

OK, If you have no need for more typical farm tractor implements run by (or moved up/down by) hydraulics, all you may be trying to do is tap into the hydraulic pump pressure on the tractor to operate something like a log splitter (??) If so all the discussion about remotes and RCVs etc. goes away. Then you have a simplified situation as follows:

You still, in that simplified situation, need to locate the output port plug on the loader valve (which may be labeled OUT or Power Beyond or ?) Look at the diagram and info on the loader valve on the web. You would need to do pretty much what you said originally before I went off on a more complex tale. i.e. just run a line from the output port to a handy location (probably on the rear of your tractor) and mount some common type of quick disconnects there as a pair -- one each for the pressure side and for the return line. You are probably right in your orig photos about that being a return line to the sump (and you would then run a line from the quick disconnect to the new tee you would install in the return-to-sump line.) The same diagram/info you find on the loader valve will also tell you which is the return line port and you can trace that back to the tractor sump an decide where to put your tee into it. Note: The pair of quick disconnects would ideally be male/female -- one for one flow direction and one for the other -- so that you could not get the wrong hose connected to the wrong line. One could just color code or something but far safer to use gender selection at the pair so you can't get them hooked up the wrong way.

All that done you would be set to do the following:

• feed high pressure flow to some device which has it's own control valve
• provide feedback of low pressure return fluid to the sump on the tractor.

Assuming that is your situation a few points to keep in mind are:

• there needs to be a pressure relief valve in the circuit somewhere (to avoid potential destruction of the expensive hyd pump on your tractor!) I think your front end loader valve is equipped with a pressure relief somewhere in that plumbing -- has to be. That SHOULD protect the pump from whatever you connect but you need to make sure of that. Any tractor dealer tech can point out the pressure relief in your configuration in a few seconds time.
• you would have to investigate the external implement/device (like the log splitter) to see what plumbing it requires. I have no knowledge of that & have only seen log splitters with their own 4 cycle Briggs and Stratton motor.

Now back to your other question: "Would this "feeder valve" [really meaning loader valve] get rid of any dead ending of the hydraulic pressure?" I do not know what you mean for sure. The loader valve will route high pressure flow to your external devices via the output port. That flow will have no control over it except at the controls on the external device. You don't need to worry about dead ending of the hydraulic pressure coming out of the loader valve ... it was after all a solid iron plug before you put in a line from it. If you were concerned about "dead ending" meaning blocking the output of the main hydraulic pump, that isn't going to happen when you have return lines both from the loader valve already on the tractor AND teed into that return line from your external device. As I said above you certainly have a pressure relief SOMEWHERE associated with the loader valve and that probably protects your main pump from anything you connect to the output port of the loader valve. I think it does but I want you to make sure of that by having someone (like a dealer tech) look at it. Better safe than sorry.

My dealer techs are worthless here for MF. They sell Kubota and IH and just say "call MF" anytime I have questions.

Thank you once again for all the info and suggestions. I'll reread your posts and try to absorb this and get back to you.

 

[Casaid1]

OK got the pass tire off and the fender cutout removed. Here's some pictures. I called my closest massey dealer (2 towns away) and they were eager to help but couldn't get me exactly what was needed. They said I should have a 3 spool front loader valve with a feeder for the rear remotes on the back... but I in fact have a 2 spool? Here's some pictures

 

[Casaid1]

A little more description of each picture.

First picture is at loader valve height looking into the tractor from the wheel

 

[Casaid1]

Second Pic is from outside wheel to inside of tractor. From top of the valve.

 

[Casaid1]

This 3rd photo is of what appears to be a rear output line... it's directly on top of the loader valve pressure input. (Where my orange tape goes around the hydraulic pump outlet line)

 

[Casaid1]

Also whoever put water in the rear tire... screw you. It's frozen and a whole heap of fun to move.

 

[Casaid1]

I have an old Ag tilling trailer that has alot of older hydraulic parts I can rob off of it. I made a temporary setup for now. Here's my Seatbelt throttle for it.