question on farm exemp post

bczoom · Jan 13, 2005

As I've watched several posts stray off subject, I wondered how bored we all really are.

Can't stop posting but don't have anything going on.

Many of us are "rained out", others are "snowed in".

What else are we to do?

Dozernut · Jan 13, 2005

"never heard of a musician going into the stands and beating on people because a patron threw something on the stage or didn't like the music and booed them. Have you????"
Well, yes! Hank Williams, legendary Country and Western singer who died of alcohol poisoning, was known to carry brass knuckles in his back pocket in case he needed to "educate" a fan.
However I do agree with you and the point you were trying to make. Sports in school are for the kids with ability, not those without. The sports program has lost sight of it's original goals, to provide exercise for kids who don't at home and to give the kids a little fun to break the monotony of class work. It has been found that the arts stimulate thinking and music seems to enhance math abilities.

cowboydoc · Jan 13, 2005

Is that a fact? Hmm I bet they would disagree with you. I've seen some awesome fiddle players in country music. But I suppose a fiddle player isn't a musician. I've seen some awesome rock guitarists that would make the fingers of any guitarist quiver with envy. I've seen drummers in rock, country, soul, you name it that could carry a beat like no tomorrow. Then let's talk about the blues players. Saxaphone players that none could rival. I'd put Billy Joel or Elton John up against most piano players. Get real Okie they are musicians. I suppose you're going to say that Beethoven, Bach, you name it aren't musicains? Come on let's at least call a spade a spade.

DUMBDOG · Jan 13, 2005

In ND to be classified as a farm for zoning you have to have at least 40 acres, use it for farming and half your income come from farming.

You could have a thirty acre parcel zoned as farm land, have a house, have a windstorm come up and take the roof off and you could not replace the roof becasue the land was not properly zoned. You would first have to have it rezoned for rural residential.

OkeeDon · Jan 13, 2005

"Is that a fact?" 
How many of the examples you gave are so far over the $30 million range that they think it's chump change? Elton John, maybe, over his entire lifetime. That's not "most musicians". The majority of musicians are teachers like SoundGuy's wife and my daughter. The next largest number are in orchestras and make a living wage. That's "most musicians".

AndyClyde · Jan 13, 2005

( Among the people making that kind of money, I haven't seen a real musician, )

Paul McCartney is not a musician? Paul McCartney can play about every instrument in the book and play it well,he is an excellent guitar player,one of the Worlds top bass players,he plays the piano very well and is not a bad drummer either. Chet Atkins was not a musician ? What about Eric Clapton ?
George Harrison was an excellent guitar player.
I am not to familiar with the younger entertainers abilities,although I do not think the talent is like it was 30 to 40 years ago,at least what I hear,but then again I do not listen to much of the music today.

cowboydoc · Jan 13, 2005

How many of the examples you gave are so far over the $30 million range that they think it's chump change? 

Ok how many athletes is it chump change? Not many. My daughters made $48,000 last year in rodeo and running barrels. They're considered professional athletes. You mean to tell me you're going to attach that kind of stigma to a 7 and 9 year old?

I think it's sad to always see these kinds of conversations about athletes. The majority of athletes, professional and amateur are just as good and hard working as musicians. I have the pleasure of working with some of the best athletes in the college and professional industry. 99% of them are upstanding, honest, moral, and downright good people. The sports industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and is a significant contributor to the economic and tax structure in this country. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs and occupations created from the sports industry. I would venture to say if you counted all the jobs and GNP contribution that sports related economics would outnumber music by a significant margin. Not sure about that and if anyone knows for sure please correct me. Some of the greatest stories and national pride have been related to sporting events.

Music certainly is equally important. Yes music has many positive effects and contributions to health and welfare of a person. But equally important is exercise and physical fitness to an individual. I just find it sad that the issue is even brought up. You certainly don't see the issue being brought up that professional musicians are criminal overpaid idiots. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

shoppintractors · Jan 13, 2005

Then let's talk about the blues players.

.....and here I thought the blues players were the guys in the New Holland forum...... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Don /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

riptides · Jan 13, 2005

Bizarre on your tree stuff.

I am still thinking about land use. But the tax man cometh one day if I do this, something about roll-back.

Any states have roll-back land use taxing?

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

txdon · Jan 13, 2005

The Tax man cometh to my place twice last year. I have heard that neighbors will report neighbors who are not using the land for ag purposes. I passed. With the internet anyone can see the exemptions. It is all open records. In Texas if you change your land use to non-exempt, and don't tell, they can go back five years and reassess your land and you will owe five years worth of back taxes at the higher rate- ouch! Don't PO the tax man!

Is this what you meant about roll-back taxes riptide, or was it the other way - they owe you because you did not claim an exemption- LOL.

Hey look we went full circle. We are back on topic.
The thread lives. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Soundguy · Jan 13, 2005

( Being a professional athlete isn't a real job but being a professional musician is a real job? )

You missed my point.. let me re-phrase.

It's numbers. There are a lot more musicians out there then pro atheletes. Given that.. say school 'x' has a population of 700 graduates.. .. statistically you are going to have more musicians than pro atheletes... say you turn out 7 musicians out of those 700 people.. that's probably a low number.. lotsa musicians were 'band' members as school kids. now on the other hand.. it is probable that you will have less than 1 pro athelete per year... see my point just a numbers issue. Think of it like this. Out of those 700 graduates.. you might only get 1 or less than one astrophysicist... but I don't see a huge budget for an astro phisics lab and observatory to set and churn, and once every ten years pop out a steven hawkings..... but I do see a huge budget for a football program, and a stadium... just lotsa resources to pump into a ciriculum that is going to turn out.. 1 or 2 students as pro atheletes per decade.. as opposed to a large number of other carreers that are churned out in bulk.. with drastically less budget.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Jan 14, 2005

( BTW it's not just rock musicians either. )

You are very correct. Hip-Hop is currently just about the fastest growing market.. and has the most money in it right now.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Jan 14, 2005

( I am curious on how states classify property as a "farm".
Is it acreage?
Is it land use?
Is it animal related?

)

In florida it is land use. you have to have a bona-fide agri business to get the agg classification. Now that can be timber.. hay, nursery, training, boarding, or livestock of varios sorts... or even plain crops .. heck.. high water recharge counts as conservation practices, and will classify

Soundguy

Soundguy · Jan 14, 2005

( Sorry, Doc, you're talking about entertainers, not musicians. Among the people making that kind of money, I haven't seen a real musician, yet, unless Placido Domingo or Yo Yo Ma makes that much, and I don't think they do. )

Placido domingo isn't a musician.. he's a vocalist.. but in generaly.. entertainers.. musicians, singers.. etc.. all get lumped into the same bowl. And yes.. I'm quite sure the big rap stars are raking in millions.. Venerable Rock stars like springsteen and mega hit groups like the stones, deep purple, blue oyster cult.. sabbath.. and dozens of others have made huge sums of money in their carriers.

That's another point. The working lifespan of a pro athlete is generally a short 'window'.. before they go on to become comentators, spokesmen.. team owners.. etc. A musician can gig till they die.. Look at the stones.. they played when the beatles were new... and they still play.. though the look like walking skeletons.

The point of my original position was that it is more feasable for a school to turn out -any- kind of employable person.. I chose musician as an example.. could have said typist.. anything. They can churn them out by the dozen... what they can't do is churn out pro atheletes by the uh.. fractions even.. Just so few people make it to the pro's.. that it is funny how much money is spent on 'training a kid thru HS to play football, when he has less than a snowballs chance in heck to get there.. whereas on the other hand.. every kid making a c or better in the power mechanics class can get a job at a jiffy lube or a service station. So far I havn't seen any gas station/football areenas.. so tall that expensive football training seems to be uh.. aimed at marketing, booster fund raisers.. clubs and functions.. media exposure.. and school competition and posturing.. Just my take. I'm obviously not a sports fan.. except for a very few limited things ( bowling.. etc.. )

Soundguy

Soundguy · Jan 14, 2005

( The way I read Soundguy's comment was that a given school was likely to be able to produce more professional musicians than professional athletes, if the funding were proportionally assigned. I rather doubt he intended to imply that professional athletes did not have real jobs )

Exactly.. my point exactly...

( Now, if you wanted to argue the relative merits for improved funding for science, math and engineering education as opposed to that for athletics, we could no doubt really close this discussion down in a hurry.
)

It's a proven fact.. kids who study music in grade school have better math and english scores later on in life.

It's also a proven fact that kids who study football have more broken bones, and spinal cord injuries than flute players! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.. unless the flute player is dating the football players girlfriend behind his back.. then i'd have ta say that the flute player better also be on the track team!

Soundguy

Soundguy · Jan 14, 2005

( How many of the examples you gave are so far over the $30 million range that they think it's chump change)

Michael jackson.. paul mcartney.. actually quite a large list. Forbes does keep track of this thing. There are plenty of wealthy people around.. many are atheletes.. many are musicians.

However.. to clarify a point.. I wasn't specifying musicians that made lots of money.. I really meant -any- musicians. Like someone pointed out.. it is just numbers.. school 'x' will turn out more musicians per year than pro atheletes.. yet a huge chunk of the budget goes toward training all those 'future' pro atheletes, in comparison to the finitely small amount of money left over for the ciriculems that the bulk of the graduates are treained in, and work a 9-5 job making a 'living' wage.

Perhaps if schools focoused more on the ';normal' jobs.. that living wage might be higher...

Soundguy

Soundguy · Jan 14, 2005

( think it's sad to always see these kinds of conversations about athletes. The majority of athletes, professional and amateur are just as good and hard working as musicians )

Again.. I wasn't implying anyone was better than anyone else. Just numbers.. schools are pumping a ton of cash into training a very few pro atheletes.. and pumping very little cashe into training the other 99.9999% of the graduates... seems a little unfair to everyone else in the school who deserves a piece of the general operating budget.. but get so little because their class doesn't wear shoulder pads... That's my point.. forget musician.. substitute ANY other 'job' in there.. and football will still have a higher budget per graduate.. And by the way.. this conversation was about pro football.. not pro rodeo.. but nice try! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Soundguy

riptides · Jan 14, 2005

( ... In Texas if you change your land use to non-exempt, and don't tell, they can go back five years and reassess your land and you will owe five years ...

Is this what you meant about roll-back taxes riptide, or was it the other way - they owe you because you did not claim an exemption- LOL. )

Yep. Seems if you lose the land exemption they get you, and you need to maintain it here (VA.) for some qualifying time.

Lots of real-estate transactions in my area mention - Not responsible for roll-back taxes.

This is another thing buyers much beware, be aware of.

The really wacking thing here is, like you mentioned, the internet shows a five acre, cow farm, down the road from me.

More power to them.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wannafish · Jan 14, 2005

"or maybe we should take this over to one of the other forums where we can actualy discuss political things that affect country living"

Other Forums? You mean there are other forums about country living out there? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I've been all over the Internet (heck, I may even have invented it!) and this is (almost) the only forum I've found that is civil enough for me to want to stay. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

But then, I never really did know how to take Junkman's comments /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Ok, Maybe I do but I'm not tellin' ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, My tractor is running good and I like it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

cowboydoc · Jan 14, 2005

The purpose of a high school athtletic program is not to turn out professional athletes anymore than a music program in high school in meant to turn out the next Mozart or the physics program to turn out the next Carl Saban. If we used that as our standard for having a program in school we might as well just scrap school all together. The purpose is create a well rounded individual and give a person choices. The lessons learned on the athletic field are just as important as the lessons learned in other subjects.

If you look at your school athletic budget football is usually the only sport that pays for itself. A schools athletic budget usually represents less than 5% of the total budget of a school. At most school their booster program pays for more of the athletic programs than the school budget does. And as far as jobs no way do I believe that music produces more jobs in the country as a whole than sports related jobs. And yes you do lump pro rodeo or any other professional sport in there. I could name you thousands of professional and amateur athletes that played football and then made it in another professional sport.