Question on 2305 MCS

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ChuckinNH

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There has been some talk here about the MCS powerflow unit install, and removal on the 2305. It has been generally considered a PITA, but details about what make it so have been sketchy. I looked at one at the dealers, and the large nuts on the drawbar seemed unnecessary, but it looked like you could break the unit down into small enough pieces to be manageable. I have a three bag turbo collector on my old Simplicity Legacy, and find that the easiest way to deal with it is to remove the hood over the bags. Though a little heavy, the rest of the install seems similar, and easier than the bulk of the Kubota BX MCS. The collector is important to me, and would keep me from purchasing the tractor though I like it's ergonomics better than my old BX22. Any input anyone has would really be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chuck
 
   / Question on 2305 MCS #2  
I think the 2520 MCS is the same one. The only real complication is that the big plastic hood is very heavy and awkward - with two people it's a snap to install and remove, with just one it's a little annoying. The big bolts on the drawbar actually don't need to be touched; just remove the tube to the deck, remove the bags, remove the hood, and then pull out the entire drawbar. I've ordered a small pulley from Northern that should be here today, I'll let you know if it helps or not with the one-man install.
 
   / Question on 2305 MCS #3  
Hi:

I have the MCS on my 2305 and wouldn't buy it again. I also have a cyclone rake and I'd stick with something like that.

Note: If you are mowing only and never want to use any 3pt items
it would be fine and you can ignore most of these complaints.

To install it you have to remove the right 3pt arm 'bolt' on the rack, etc. I don't find any of the pieces particularly awkward but the fact that I need to 'bolt' on something immediately disqualifies it as easy to install/remove. Once installed you can not use ANY 3pt hitch accessories.

The above is the single biggest pain there.

Other comments.

It generally works well, but a blower on the bag system (like a cyclone) rake works better because:
o You can attach a wand and suck up other items.
o The first time you clog the blower you'll be cursing. In the blower on
bag systems, the boot on the mower (not the blower) clogs. The boot
is simply a hollow item that you can clean out very easily.
On the MCS, the boot IS the blower. So either you try and stick your
hand through the impeller (unit off of course) which is difficult and
unclog the grass, OR you burn your hand taking the belt off of the HOT
pulley, swing the unit out and unclog the deck and boot from the
'inside'.
o Anything wet WILL clog the MCS quickly. Blower on bag units virtually never clog
even on wet stuff and when they do cleanout of the boot is simple.
o You'll have a separate engine for a CR or similar unit, but your 2305 will 'suck'
down gas with the MCS. My consumption went way, way up when I used it.


On a positive note, It IS very easy to empty. Be aware however that unless you immediately notice the 'full' indicator you'll probably clog the chute when the bags fill.

It also fills quickly and if you have a big lawn don't even consider it. I tried it out on 5 acres and was emptying every 1/2 lap for the first few laps. (Probably 2600-2800 ft / lap). After
using it on that lot once I concluded that I'd never use it there again. (I use it now on a probably 1.5 acres).

Given it was $1600 I think something like a DR or cyclone rake rear collection unit (even if it was a little more) is a much better unit. You'll be emptying less, unclogging less and cursing far less. Never mind you can use 3pt implements as soon as you disconnect the unit. You will have another engine, but you can also do a lot more with it. Having a wand to suck leaves out of tight spots is great.

Anyway, my .02 cents. If I could find a buyer for my MCS I'd probably sell it and use my cyclone rake (I use the CR on my 3720 also).
 
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#4  
Maybe a clamp on pulley arrangement for the ROPS might be the way to go. This is a long term purchase for me, and I really appreciate the input Jeff. The best description of the issue so far!
Chuck
 
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Orlo,
Thanks for your input! I've been running a "turbo collector" on my Simplicity riders for many years, and have come to terms with the limitations of that kind of system. When collecting leaves, or large quantities of grass ( I mow nearly 4 acres with lots of trees) I park my trailer with high sides central to where I'm working, and dump into that for example. Plugging is a pain, but only under certain conditions, but manuverability is somewhat more important. The JD system is different from the Simplicity system though, and I appreciate your input based on actual experience. Thanks!
 
   / Question on 2305 MCS #6  
I have the MCS on my X744 and have been very pleased with it's performance. And I can compare it to several commercial units out there that I use, and say that it is superior. Except on my X it attaches to the rear click-n-go bracket which speeds things up a bit when attaching or removal. The downside to the system is the bags. I have found that they are very difficult to empty when full. They are heavy and get so packed tight. I am now thinking of a hydraulic dump power pack...without the motor...attaching to my rear 3 point hitch, and rigging something up so I can use the powerflow blower with the dump set-up.
 
   / Question on 2305 MCS #7  
Have you seen the discontinued MC-519? I have one, and find it an excellent option. I have no idea why the discontinued it. The mount is pretty straightforward, and I doubt it would be much of a challenge to rig to either the 3 pt or direct to the frame (as it is on the 455). They're pretty easy to find on the used market.
 
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#8  
Unit40,
Have you considered the MC519 cart that attaches to your powerflow system, and click-n-go? Someone here mentioned that hydraulic dumping was an option with that setup. I used a similar cart on an older Simplicity, and found it quite maneuverable. I think it was jeffinsgf that mentioned the 519 hydraulic setup.

Great minds I guess..... :)
 
   / Question on 2305 MCS #9  
MC-519 isn't hydraulic. It is manual dump. 19 bushel capacity.
 

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