Question for Kioti Dealers

[jimb1724]

Guys we need your input:

this topic came up on another thread but was never settled..... i don't know if it pertains to all, some or just select kioti models.....

Should the clutch be used to engage and also dis-engage the rear and mid ptos ?

there was much conversation with different opinions but the rattle noise ( i hear it upon rear pto dis-engage using the snow blower) and potential damage issues are still a concern....

thank you in advance for your professional opinions and thought on the subject...

jim

 

[jimb1724]

duplicate post... sorry...

 

[Gittyup]

I use the clutch on my CK25. It's a live PTO. No noise to speak of when using my PHD or chipper. And that chipper will continue to spin like for 5 minutes or more after you disengage it. I do, however, disengage via the PTO lever right after clutching (always from idle) on the chipper. I have never clutched at full throttle though. Highest has been about 1600 rpms on the PHD. And I've done this a lot as part of standard hole drilling: drill down - stop - raise -spin to clear dirt..... and then repeat.

 

[wallace]

That is a over running clutch...the more you hear it the more you wear it out.
Pull the lever out and your good.

 

[rimshot]

I always now clutch to to engage pto only. But that is not when it is clackity. The clatter occurs as you disengage. I just found out on this forum that it doesn't hurt a thing to disengage PTO for using a CK20 (s) HST and attached blower powered by PTO by just shhifting PTO switch out and use no clutch. Tried it today and it works with no clatter.

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[jimb1724]

That is a over running clutch...the more you hear it the more you wear it out.
Pull the lever out and your good.

Thanks Rick..... i hope i haven't done too much damage.... i've been clutching to disengage the blower for the last 2 seasons.... now i'll just throtle down and pull the rear pto back...

thanks again
jim

 

[laurencen]

With the blower and grass cutter am I correct that I should not be using the clutch to engage or disengage the pto, it does make a noise when putting the clutch in as the momentum in the blower and grass cutter continues running, no damage as I know of but when coming to a place where I have to stop, before putting the clutch in I should disengage the pto with the clutch out, I'm sure the pto has to be engaged before the clutch is let out

 

[rimshot]

With the blower and grass cutter am I correct that I should not be using the clutch to engage or disengage the pto, it does make a noise when putting the clutch in as the momentum in the blower and grass cutter continues running, no damage as I know of but when coming to a place where I have to stop, before putting the clutch in I should disengage the pto with the clutch out, I'm sure the pto has to be engaged before the clutch is let out

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No! Always use the clutch to shift in and engage PTO. To disengage throttle down and simply switch out of pto drive with no clutch. Disengage only.

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[Bousez]

I use mine the same way Rimshot does, it has never been noisy
I use my snowblower almost everyday !

 

[PILOON]

Guys we need your input:

this topic came up on another thread but was never settled..... i don't know if it pertains to all, some or just select kioti models.....

Should the clutch be used to engage and also dis-engage the rear and mid ptos ?

there was much conversation with different opinions but the rattle noise ( i hear it upon rear pto dis-engage using the snow blower) and potential damage issues are still a concern....

thank you in advance for your professional opinions and thought on the subject...

jim

Would you shift gears in your car or truck without using the clutch?
I think you will answer the question that way.

Why else would the factory install a clutch?

Also disengaging without clutching will probably lead to rounded gear teeth with time, especially since PTO gearing are not syncro gears.
Remember the old cars?

 

[Dmace]

That is a over running clutch...the more you hear it the more you wear it out.
Pull the lever out and your good.

Thanks Rick, I have been saying that for years now and don't think anyone trusted me...

I am sure they trust you.

3.5yrs (350+ hrs) of snow blowing and I have never used the clutch to disengage the PTO, only to engage it.

 

[laurencen]

Well, I am sorry to say I change gears in the viper without clutch all the time, I do use the clutch to start moving, guess its the same, engage pto and use clutch to start and drop rpm and disengage pto to stop, never knew this, thanks, my rattle and noise will now be a piece of the past

 

[Dodgeram]

I was reading all of this and it got me to thinking
I have always pushed the clutch in before releasing the PTO.
I can't imagine what would/will happen by reducing the RPM to stop the PHD.
With the mower decks, I don't see a problem.
If Rick say's that's the way it's supposed to be done, I'm willing to give it a shot.
Tom

 

[rimshot]

Would you shift gears in your car or truck without using the clutch?
I think you will answer the question that way.

Why else would the factory install a clutch?

Also disengaging without clutching will probably lead to rounded gear teeth with time, especially since PTO gearing are not syncro gears.
Remember the old cars?

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Sure, I remember the first car I owned was a 51 Chevy with a three speed manual on the column. I drove it quite a bit it of the time using timing and letting off on the accelerator to release any torque on tranny and shifting from second to third or even first to second while rolling and without the clutch. Those old trannies had synchros in second and third gear but you could not shift into first or reverse while rolling. Of course not, and you could not shift to 1st while idling and parked in neutral.Get that old car rolling and shifting to 2nd or third w/o the clutch was as smoothly accomplished as if I had depressed the clutch. Same goes for shifting out of pto after throttling down. Thanks DMace for the memories. That old car had about 200,000 miles on it when I got rid of it while it still was running. The original owner showed me how to shift w/o clutching. Those were the days.

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[jimb1724]

Would you shift gears in your car or truck without using the clutch?
I think you will answer the question that way.

Why else would the factory install a clutch?

Also disengaging without clutching will probably lead to rounded gear teeth with time, especially since PTO gearing are not syncro gears.
Remember the old cars?

that's exactly why i thought it best to use the clutch the same way on the pto (on/off) as i did on range changes (hi/low)......

HOWEVER..... according to the info.....

Range change clutch = YES always

PTO - ON = clutch = YES

PTO - OFF = Clutch = NO !

 

[jimb1724]

Thanks Rick, I have been saying that for years now and don't think anyone trusted me...

I am sure they trust you.

3.5yrs (350+ hrs) of snow blowing and I have never used the clutch to disengage the PTO, only to engage it.

Dmace

it's not that we don't trust you, but it does carry a little more weight coming from a World Famous Dealer of the Highest Integrity who sells, services and deals with the warranty issues on these units....

Thanks Derek, and Thanks again Rick for all of your insight and help on this forum.

Jim