i just purchased a new bx 24. the dealer said you could operate mower with backhoe attached but the operators manual says no.all i have is the manual,waiting for mower deck to come in for delivery.so thought id ask current owners. thank you in advance for any answers.
question for bx 24 owners ?
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Stargazer
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Well I have a bx-23 and for the first 4 months mowed with the backhoe on. The only bad thing is if you remove BH and put 3pt blade on you can lock the deck up and use blade but if the blade is on and you go to use(ie lower) deck blade also comes down. Trying to think if some of KUB literature shows mowing with BH on. It is a little more bouncy with BH on and make sure you use the lock pins. You might also want to go thru your manual and make sure you got all the pages just found out mine jumps 43 on 1 side to 46 on back (not like a missing page as well as 58/9 86/9
Mike_V
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Even though the manual says "Do not attache nor operate the mower with teh backhoe still in place." my dealer just delivered the BX24 with the mower, backhoe, and loader all attached.
The manual also says you can damage the backhoe's control valve if you don't disconnect the inlet and outlet hoses of the backhoe and connect the tractor outlet hose to the tractor power beyond pipe.
So I, too, am confused with what seems to be mixed messages.
What say you, BX24 experts?
The manual also says you can damage the backhoe's control valve if you don't disconnect the inlet and outlet hoses of the backhoe and connect the tractor outlet hose to the tractor power beyond pipe.
So I, too, am confused with what seems to be mixed messages.
What say you, BX24 experts?
Qrazy
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This does seem to be a contradiction, when I purchased my BX24 several weeks back, the dealer showed me how to operate the FEL, Backhoe and mower deck (all were attached at the time). They then showed me how to take off the FEL, then the backhoe, and mower deck...They then showed me how to put them all back on again. I specifically asked the dealer, and his head mechanic if it was ok to run the mower deck while the FEL and hoe were on. They both told me yes. I have been running my mower with both still attached since I purchased it, and have yet to have a problem. I use the FEL, hoe, and mower so frquently right now that I don't want to be popping them off and on all the time...Sometimes I only have 30 minutes availabel to go get some work done. Speding that time swapping implements wouldn't be as productive for me....
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I am also looking for the answer, as my 24 was delivered with all attached too. Although I can't imagine mowing with the FEL and BH attached. I have way too many trees to go around. I am however getting much better with the swap out of the FEL and BH for the mowing deck and think that putting all on dollies will help even more. Last drop of FEL and BH and mount of MMM was down to 15 min.
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I have the BX 23 and I believe the 3 point hitch will make contact with the BH when lowering. Also I have hills and the bucket will drag on inclines, tear down limbs, topheavy ect....... I typically remove the FEL and BH when mowing, figure I have enough to watch without having to worry about additional clearance overhead, in front, and behind. However this year I decided to run my wheelhorse and keep the hours on the BX to FEL and BH work.
That 24 must be one hell of a do-it-all at once machine!
That 24 must be one hell of a do-it-all at once machine!
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I have 611 hours on my BX 23.Haven't ever had the BH FEL or MMM off it.
Mike_V
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I emailed Kubota to straighten this out, once and for all. Here is what they said:
"The tractor should not be operated with the mower deck and backhoe attached as is stated in the owners manual. The dealer most likely had all of the attachments mounted to aid in simplifying delivery. I hope this information is helpful. Thank you for choosing Kubota."
If they only knew what their dealers were really up to...
"The tractor should not be operated with the mower deck and backhoe attached as is stated in the owners manual. The dealer most likely had all of the attachments mounted to aid in simplifying delivery. I hope this information is helpful. Thank you for choosing Kubota."
If they only knew what their dealers were really up to...
FamilyFarm
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If the 3 point arms are up, then lowered ONLY to the TOP setting for the MMM, you can use the backhoe. However, trying to use the MMM and lower it will usually cause problems as the 3 pt arms lower. Of course, there is no down pressure exerted on a 3 pt system, but I would be leary of doing this. I have put the backhoe on and used it for a quick job while leaving the MMM on if I know I will be mowing soon - just remove the BH before mowing. In fact, I will be doing that tomorrow as I need to dig a 15 ft trench to bury a gas line, but then won't be using the backhoe for awhile. I'll need to mow later this week, so drop the loader and hoe to mow (looks like I got a little wordy - hope all that made sense ).
Terry
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Qrazy
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FamilyFarm said:If the 3 point arms are up, then lowered ONLY to the TOP setting for the MMM, you can use the backhoe. However, trying to use the MMM and lower it will usually cause problems as the 3 pt arms lower. Of course, there is no down pressure exerted on a 3 pt system, but I would be leary of doing this. I have put the backhoe on and used it for a quick job while leaving the MMM on if I know I will be mowing soon - just remove the BH before mowing. In fact, I will be doing that tomorrow as I need to dig a 15 ft trench to bury a gas line, but then won't be using the backhoe for awhile. I'll need to mow later this week, so drop the loader and hoe to mow (looks like I got a little wordy - hope all that made sense
Terry
My 3 point arms do lower when I set teh MM mower to say 2 1/2 inches, which is where I usually mow....The 3 point arms rotate down several inches as the mower deck lowers....They do not rub or hit anything in the process, so I don't see what the problem would be....If the arms came down and slammed on the BH, I could see issues, but on my BX24 they do not hit anything.....How does the tractor know the difference between me having the BH on and the mower, or a 3 point blade and the mower?? It seems as long as the arms move up and down freely there shouldn't be any difference.... I dunno, just speculating...Next time I am out mowing, I will specifically look for any intereferences or rubbing...I know the hydrualics don't make any different sounds as its going up or down (you know like when it is all the way up, the sound the hydraulics make lets you know it)... My ground is pretty flat and open, so the BH doesn't bottom out for me, especially with the new clearance put there to facilitate trailering......Peace...
Qrazy
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Ok....I mowed again this weekend. The two upper 3 pt arms move down about 6 or 7 inches when I lower my MMM. They do not hit or rub anything. They go down very smoothly as the MMM lowers and come up the same way when the MMM comes up. If it wasn't intended to do it, thats one thing, but it definately lets me mow while the FEL and BH are on. I don't see any physical reason why it shouldn't work. Everything functions as it should for me....So I guess you can follow the book and not do it, or follow my (and others) dealers advice and mow away...
Good luck...
Qrazy
Good luck...
Qrazy
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--------------bhyland said:
One of the special design features of the BX23 is that it is built to operate the FEL BH and MMM all at the same time.
If the BX 24 has lost that functionality then it's been down graded from the BX23
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Got my BX24 yesterday and is as frustrated with this issue as all of you are. My dealer delivered with all 3 connected and said it was fine to use the mower with backhoe attached. So I did for a while, until I read the manual and took note of the email Mike_V received. I do not see the problem being with the 3 pt but with the backhoe control valve being affected by using the raise/lower hydraulics of the mowing deck. The manual states on page 47 "When installing the mower, disconnect the inlet and outlet hoses of backhoe and connect the tractor outlet hose to the tractor power beyond pipe. If this is not done, damage of the control valve of backhoe can result." Nothing is said of interference with the 3 pt.
Regardless of the grammar, to me this is clear - keep the backhoe attached if you want, and can maneuver with it, but disconnect the hydraulics. To me this is simple advice, and an easy procedure, that may save costly repairs in the future. Thus, I plan to disconnect the bh hydraulics if I run the MMM.
Great thread - thanks for discussing this topic!
Regardless of the grammar, to me this is clear - keep the backhoe attached if you want, and can maneuver with it, but disconnect the hydraulics. To me this is simple advice, and an easy procedure, that may save costly repairs in the future. Thus, I plan to disconnect the bh hydraulics if I run the MMM.
Great thread - thanks for discussing this topic!
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~~~~~~~~~~DaveVales said:
I've had my BX 23 since Sept. of 2004. Have never taken the FEL BH or MMM off.
Have 621 hours of FEL BH and mowing on it used exactly as the tractor was set up when it was delivered to me. If you can't do this with the BX24 then it's been downgraded from the BX23.
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Quote:
"Got my BX24 yesterday . . . The manual states on page 47 "When installing the mower, disconnect the inlet and outlet hoses of backhoe and connect the tractor outlet hose to the tractor power beyond pipe. If this is not done, damage of the control valve of backhoe can result." Nothing is said of interference with the 3 pt. . . . "
I'll have to check the BX22 manual, but I do not recall any advise to disconnect the backhoe hydraulics. That may be a change for the BX24. On the other hand, that's a simple 1-2 minute task that doesn't require actually removing the backhoe. I'm guessing if that is a change with the new BX24, the dealerships are not receiving training on the change and are assuming it is the same as the 22/23 models. I'm curious if there is a new control valve on the 24 that can be damaged, whereas the 22/23 couldn't. Maybe all are the same and there have been a few problems, so this is only to prevent issues???
Also, my apology for incorrect info on the 3 pt arms being a problem with the backhoe/mmm attached. I haven't used mine like this in a long time - thought I rememberd it being an issue. Our grass is so dry here, there is no need to mow, so I took my MMM off recently and put the backhoe on for a few chores. I didn't end up trying the combo of MMM/Backhoe as I had planned.
Terry
"Got my BX24 yesterday . . . The manual states on page 47 "When installing the mower, disconnect the inlet and outlet hoses of backhoe and connect the tractor outlet hose to the tractor power beyond pipe. If this is not done, damage of the control valve of backhoe can result." Nothing is said of interference with the 3 pt. . . . "
I'll have to check the BX22 manual, but I do not recall any advise to disconnect the backhoe hydraulics. That may be a change for the BX24. On the other hand, that's a simple 1-2 minute task that doesn't require actually removing the backhoe. I'm guessing if that is a change with the new BX24, the dealerships are not receiving training on the change and are assuming it is the same as the 22/23 models. I'm curious if there is a new control valve on the 24 that can be damaged, whereas the 22/23 couldn't. Maybe all are the same and there have been a few problems, so this is only to prevent issues???
Also, my apology for incorrect info on the 3 pt arms being a problem with the backhoe/mmm attached. I haven't used mine like this in a long time - thought I rememberd it being an issue. Our grass is so dry here, there is no need to mow, so I took my MMM off recently and put the backhoe on for a few chores. I didn't end up trying the combo of MMM/Backhoe as I had planned.
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Maybe all are the same and there have been a few problems,FamilyFarm said:
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If there have been it's never been mentioned on the board and there are a bunch of BX 22 and BX 23 owners here.
I still think if there is such a problem with the BX24 It's due to a design change- a down graded one at that.
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To all:
I do stand corrected. Now that I have a manual with all the pages on pg 43 RH side of bx-23 under operating mmm with BH it says to disconnect hoses to bh and connect as if removed. It is to bad that the KUBOTA web site when notified of problem can't even respond or just as easly e-mail missing pages of manual .
It is hard to know what you are missing if you don't know what to look for!
Thanx Pat R
I do stand corrected. Now that I have a manual with all the pages on pg 43 RH side of bx-23 under operating mmm with BH it says to disconnect hoses to bh and connect as if removed. It is to bad that the KUBOTA web site when notified of problem can't even respond or just as easly e-mail missing pages of manual .
It is hard to know what you are missing if you don't know what to look for!
Thanx Pat R
I don't mean to highjack this thread but I have little confidence in anything from Kubota customer service identified on their web site. Once I asked if the owners manual was available on a CD and never received a response. The next time I asked for the location of the center of gravity on the BX24 to assist in locating on my trailer. They responded there was no such thing since it could be different with the loader and back hoe removed. DUH!?!? The BX 24 comes with a loader and backhoe! I didn't ask where it would be without these attachments. You have to wonder about who these questions are being delegated to.
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10-4 on Kubota response about as worthless as teats on a boar You should read my ? and response as below
Dear Patrick,
Thank you for your E-mail dated 07/06/06. I have asked our Central
Division service staff to investigate the situation, and take any necessary
action to resolve your concern. You will receive a response from someone
from our service staff or your dealer shortly.
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and allowing us the
opportunity to rectify you concern.
Your Original Inquiry:
First off I would to like to NOT THANK YOU for answering my question about
the missing pages in bx-23 especially about disconnect BH using MMM or the
50 hr service pages being gone. Presume you will stand for any repairs
caused by this.
Now my question is I have the BH off unit checked hyd/trans unit oil
and nothing on stick. have dumped 1 GAL of UDT into it and still nothing
on stick. What is the max capicity of the BH cyls bucket is closed/curled
but stab pads out about 50%. If I fill it up to stick what happensd when
I put BH on and pump trapped oil back per use?
Presume oil was full on delivery and only 15 hrs and no leakage loader
down 3pt down and on level ground.
You need to check tractor bynet and the compact tractor web site,,, people
are not happy with dealer support and dealing with you people is certainly
leaves alot to be desired
Dear Patrick,
Thank you for your E-mail dated 07/06/06. I have asked our Central
Division service staff to investigate the situation, and take any necessary
action to resolve your concern. You will receive a response from someone
from our service staff or your dealer shortly.
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and allowing us the
opportunity to rectify you concern.
Your Original Inquiry:
First off I would to like to NOT THANK YOU for answering my question about
the missing pages in bx-23 especially about disconnect BH using MMM or the
50 hr service pages being gone. Presume you will stand for any repairs
caused by this.
Now my question is I have the BH off unit checked hyd/trans unit oil
and nothing on stick. have dumped 1 GAL of UDT into it and still nothing
on stick. What is the max capicity of the BH cyls bucket is closed/curled
but stab pads out about 50%. If I fill it up to stick what happensd when
I put BH on and pump trapped oil back per use?
Presume oil was full on delivery and only 15 hrs and no leakage loader
down 3pt down and on level ground.
You need to check tractor bynet and the compact tractor web site,,, people
are not happy with dealer support and dealing with you people is certainly
leaves alot to be desired
