Pushing out with FEL

retiredmgn · Jan 27, 2011

I got stuck with my 3038 the other day where my driveway drops off quick. With My old Kubota B8200 I could put the FEL all the way to dump, drop straight down and curl the bucket to push the tractor back out. I tried that with the Deere and curling the bucket wouldn't do it. Just chattered. Once I got unstuck I tried it in the drive. I found if the bucket was fully dumped - slighty past verticle - the result was the same. When I payed attention to the angle of the bucket in the dump position and only brought it to verticle it would move the tractor backwards.
I didn't think there would be a point of dimmishing returns on the hydraulic cylinder if I brought the bucket past 90 degrees. Anyone else experience this?

jester156 · Jan 27, 2011

I actually had to do this just this morning. i was making a small path to the oil fill location through about 2 feet of snow. the path had to bend on a slight slope. Well backing out with my blower on, 3pt hitch, I started to slide and got quite stuck. I used the curl method for the first time ever and it happened to work quite well, slow but effective.
I don't know what the angle of the bucket was but it was a full dump. slight rear gas and curl up and out I came. took a number of curls as I crept back slowly.
I had to move about 10 feet in this fashion.

texasjohn · Jan 27, 2011

I've used the FEL curl technique to push myself out of being stuck in over a dozen situations.... no problem such as you described.... works for me with full dump edge down, down pressure, curl and the tractor moves back with encouragement from HST reverse, 4wd and locked rear differential.

Joe Szabo · Jan 27, 2011

Here's a video of someone getting out of a tough spot using the loader on a 2320. I've done similar with mine too.

YouTube - John Deere 2320 with JD 46 backhoe in a tough spot.

Deadman · Jan 28, 2011

I've pushed my JD2520 out with the loader at least 50 times. It does it easily.

not2old · Jan 28, 2011

The only time it didn't work for me, the rear wheels were too far down in the snow. I lifted the rear wheels with the hoe, pushed snow under them with my feet and then I was able to push out with the loader while in reverse. 2010 Massey GC2610TLB

retiredmgn · Jan 28, 2011

Joe Szabo said:
Here's a video of someone getting out of a tough spot using the loader on a 2320. I've done similar with mine too.

Yup, just how it worked with the Kubota. Gonna have to try to this some more just to make sure I was holding my tounge right.

Johndeere3720 · Jan 28, 2011

The 3720 has been stuck multiple times along with the skidsteers and the curl technique always works. Have you reported the situation to Deere?

Deadman · Jan 28, 2011

I got stuck this winter going down a steep hill, but I was plowing 3 feet of snow on my way down. I got stuck, and couldn't back up, and I could wiggle myself back up the hill by using the loader, posi, and brakes all at the right times. Its best if you don't allow the tires to spin. I "thought" I was screwed, but after 5 minutes, I was right back at it and unstuck!

beenthere · Jan 28, 2011

retiredmgn said:
I got stuck with my 3038 the other day where my driveway drops off quick. ......... I tried that with the Deere and curling the bucket wouldn't do it. Just chattered. Once I got unstuck I tried it in the drive. I found if the bucket was fully dumped - slighty past verticle - the result was the same. When I payed attention to the angle of the bucket in the dump position and only brought it to verticle it would move the tractor backwards.
I didn't think there would be a point of dimmishing returns on the hydraulic cylinder if I brought the bucket past 90 degrees. Anyone else experience this?

Something doesn't seem right with the hyd. circuit. Different tractor as mine is a 4300. I have no loss of power in the curling rams with either the bucket in that position or the forks.

Some test of oil pressure gauge in strategic spots might give a clue if something is not right. A visit with the dealer to help out would be another suggestion.

Ray_Fort_White · Jan 31, 2011

I have a 3038 and am wondering how you got stuck and how you got it out. I assume you were in 4WD. Did you tap the brake to lock the rear differential?

I thought I was stuck a few weeks ago while trying to dig down into damp clay. I have R4's. I was in 4WD and was spinning the tires while trying to back out of the hole with a full bucket. After I locked the rear, I just let it spin and it slowly dug in and backed out.

I decided that my tractor just too traction limited with R4s to attempt that kind of work.

Deadman · Jan 31, 2011

R4 in clay mud = useless!

retiredmgn · Feb 2, 2011

Johndeere3720 said:
The 3720 has been stuck multiple times along with the skidsteers and the curl technique always works. Have you reported the situation to Deere?

No, I haven't. You're right, I will. I was chalking it up to 'operator error'. It shouldn't be the case.

retiredmgn · Feb 2, 2011

"I have a 3038 and am wondering how you got stuck and how you got it out. I assume you were in 4WD. Did you tap the brake to lock the rear differential? "

Yup, 4wd, low range, differential locked. The position I was in only allowed traction for 1 front and 1 rear wheel to be in contact with the ground - teetering. It was the first snow of the year and I escaped by driving forward and out through the field. Ain't gonna happen now with 2 feet on the ground.

DuckHunterJon · Feb 3, 2011

Yup, 4wd, low range, differential locked. The position I was in only allowed traction for 1 front and 1 rear wheel to be in contact with the ground - teetering. It was the first snow of the year and I escaped by driving forward and out through the field. Ain't gonna happen now with 2 feet on the ground.

I may be in the minority, but my finding is the same as you. I can't move the tractor from a full curl (deere 3120, 300cx loader). I assumed it was just a function of the loader geometry. If I don't do a full curl, but just to where the bottom of the bucket is vertical, it will move the tractor. It should be said, generally, I manage to really stick it. Last week, I managed to slide downhill and after some maneuvering, had the front wheels in mud over the center hub, and another 2 feet of snow. After making a mess, I was able to get out. Let us know what you find out from the dealer. Thanks.

Jon Hunter

Thomas · Feb 4, 2011

I've notice on my L w/bucket at full curl just doesn't seem to have power to push back,but 2/3 curl or less not problem...more than enough press to pick front tires off ground tho.

goldenwings · Mar 4, 2011

Deadman said:
R4 in clay mud = useless!

Please let me know if you find this true after your little tire grooving experiment. If in fact you find that it is indeed quite advantageous, i will be attempting this project asap.

JD3520Turbo · Mar 4, 2011

My experience with traction or lack there of, has been lack of tractor weight. The thing is to light to get any traction. I put Michelin Tires on the back and that helped tremendously. They clean and bite very well. Then I added 750lbs of weight on the rear and that has really made a big difference.

1ID · Mar 5, 2011

I was able to unstick mine by curling, but then the rears fell in and I successfully curled my way to the bottom.

don't worry she looks like new again

milkman636 · Mar 5, 2011

1ID said:
I was able to unstick mine by curling, but then the rears fell in and I successfully curled my way to the bottom. don't worry she looks like new again

Wow, that looks like a tough field to stay up on top of.