PTO step up gearbox

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I run quite a few pto attachments that should run 540 RPM, but do not require much horsepower. My John Deere 5045e has to run 2100 engine RPM to run 540 at the PTO. Is there a step up gearbox available that would hook to the PTO and step up the speed so I could run in the 1500 RPM range and still have 540 pto RPM? Ratio should be about 1 to 1.4 or 1.5 if available. Any ideas.
 
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I never run out tractors over 1600. Cuts hay just fine if you have the horsepower. Just because someone says 540 don't really mean anything to me. They do have gearboxes like you want. But they mount on the equipment, not the tractor.
 
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I am not familiar with your tractor, but do you have a 1000rpm pto shaft? If so, get a stub that fTts on it, but terminates with the standard 540 pto shaft splines. Then you can run your 540 rpm implements at the standard speed, with your tractor running at nearly half speed.
 
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I run quite a few pto attachments that should run 540 RPM, but do not require much horsepower. My John Deere 5045e has to run 2100 engine RPM to run 540 at the PTO. Is there a step up gearbox available that would hook to the PTO and step up the speed so I could run in the 1500 RPM range and still have 540 pto RPM? Ratio should be about 1 to 1.4 or 1.5 if available. Any ideas.
I am not familiar with your tractor, but do you have a 1000rpm pto shaft? If so, get a stub that fTts on it, but terminates with the standard 540 pto shaft splines. Then you can run your 540 rpm implements at the standard speed, with your tractor running at nearly half speed.
It is 540 only
 
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I never run out tractors over 1600. Cuts hay just fine if you have the horsepower. Just because someone says 540 don't really mean anything to me. They do have gearboxes like you want. But they mount on the equipment, not the tractor.
Yeah I also don't run things faster than needed to get the job done. Most things do great at lower RPM and that's where I run them. One thing I use that does not do a good job below 540 is a litter pulverizer and that is the main piece where I looking for a step up gearbox. Also have a mower that would benefit from it. Who are the "they" that you are referring to who have gearboxes that mount on the equipment? Any links on names?
 
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Have you contacted a dealer? Maybe they can get you the stuff needed for the 540E option, if that's available on that model that is.

I too do most of my PTO work in 540E (around 1800 engine RPM). Tiller and brush mower does just fine in 540E. Fuel consumption is also very noticeable as I get around 12 to 14 hours on a full tank in 540E vs 7 to 9 hours in regular 540.
 
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Yeah I also don't run things faster than needed to get the job done. Most things do great at lower RPM and that's where I run them. One thing I use that does not do a good job below 540 is a litter pulverizer and that is the main piece where I looking for a step up gearbox. Also have a mower that would benefit from it. Who are the "they" that you are referring to who have gearboxes that mount on the equipment? Any links on names?
I've seen them before. Used to be an old water pump around here that had one on it. You could run it either way by turning gearbox around. I have seen them in other places. I would check Surplus Center for gear boxes first. I have also seen 3 speed truck transmissions run backwards to speed things up.
 
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Have you contacted a dealer? Maybe they can get you the stuff needed for the 540E option, if that's available on that model that is.

I too do most of my PTO work in 540E (around 1800 engine RPM). Tiller and brush mower does just fine in 540E. Fuel consumption is also very noticeable as I get around 12 to 14 hours on a full tank in 540E vs 7 to 9 hours in regular 540.
Maybe if I could find the right dealer or mechanic, they could help me with whether it can be added to that transmission. I know in the older models they had Epto with that transmission but in the newer models it is only available in the electronic transmission and with higher horsepower. I did not need either one, but the Epto would be nice. Any info on a competent dealer. When I was looking at mine, he told me it had Epto, but he couldn't find it and then decided it didn't. Not knowledgeable enough to inform me if that is an option that could be added.
 
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Maybe if I could find the right dealer or mechanic, they could help me with whether it can be added to that transmission. I know in the older models they had Epto with that transmission but in the newer models it is only available in the electronic transmission and with higher horsepower. I did not need either one, but the Epto would be nice. Any info on a competent dealer. When I was looking at mine, he told me it had Epto, but he couldn't find it and then decided it didn't. Not knowledgeable enough to inform me if that is an option that could be added.
Brands like COMER or Brevini make all kinds of PTO gearboxes. Most I've seen are for hydraulic pumps but I think they make step up gearboxes too with a female 6 spline input and 6 spline male output. The trick may be finding a supplier for those.
 
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Thanks for the comeback. Sounds like what I'm looking for. Any ideas of where to find them?
To achieve this, you can consider using a PTO speed increaser, also known as a step-up gearbox or PTO speed-up gearbox.

A PTO speed increaser is a device that attaches to the tractor's PTO shaft and increases the output speed, allowing you to run your PTO attachments at the desired RPM while maintaining the standard 540 PTO RPM. These gearboxes typically come with a specific gear ratio, which is what you're looking for—around 1 to 1.4 or 1.5 in your case.
 
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Thanks for the comeback. Sounds like what I'm looking for. Any ideas of where to find them?
Just get a hydraulic motor with a tractor pto stub on it. That's the simplest thing to do. No shortening drive shafts. Just take them off. Direct couple motor to implement, hoses from tractor to motor. If you don't have enough hydrs on tractor, get a pto pump too. I've owned both, so they are common.
 
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So the 5045E was not offered with a 1000rpm, or a 540E PTO.
Hub city offers a speed increaser for taking a 540 to 1000rpm allowing you to run at almost 1/2 speed. The part number is 0220-06207-390 and I am not sure if they still offer them.
 
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So the 5045E was not offered with a 1000rpm, or a 540E PTO.

540E-PTO is only paired with the JD 12spd Power Reverser Trans Option which is also wet clutch.

540 Economy is the best thing ever & well worth the extra $$ with PR Trans.

1000 PTO is only available as an option in JD 5k series M & bigger.

JD 9spd with 3cyl motors are all dry clutch units so be extremely careful using clutch with engine revved up high : heat is murder on a dry clutch.
 
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540E-PTO is only paired with the JD 12spd Power Reverser Trans Option which is also wet clutch.
JD 9spd with 3cyl motors are all dry clutch units so be extremely careful using clutch with engine revved up high : heat is murder on a dry clutch.
The 5045E was only offered with the 9x3 transmission. The dry clutch is an Carraro unit. It is built backwards of most dual clutches with the transmission disc captured and the pto disc at the front free. This is a pain as you either have to disassemble the entire clutch to replace the transmission disc or replace the entire pressure plate assembly. This is a poor design since the transmission discs wear out sooner than the pto for most applications. It has the same life expectancy of a normal clutch, but makes no sense why they did what they did.

No need to be extra careful with a dry clutch, just don't be dumb and ride the clutch. Dry clutches have worked just fine since the days of steam. The key is to be a good operator. Riding a clutch is bad, no matter if its a wet or dry clutch.
 
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Here is a gearbox that would get you 810 rpm with a 540 rpm input.
This 1:1.5 gearbox should do this
2100 engine rpm = 540 pto rpm
1400 engine rpm = 540 pto rpm
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I don't see a HP rating and it would take some fabrication to get the output shaft back to 1 3/8" 6 spline.
 
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Here is a gearbox that would get you 810 rpm with a 540 rpm input.
This 1:1.5 gearbox should do this
2100 engine rpm = 540 pto rpm
1400 engine rpm = 540 pto rpm
View attachment 826146
I don't see a HP rating and it would take some fabrication to get the output shaft back to 1 3/8" 6 spline.
That one in particular is for a Group 2 Hydraulic pump and being that it's for hydraulic pumps and made out of aluminium, it has a lot let HP rating. Typically in the 13HP range. The other face of the multiplier has the correct 4 bolt mounting for the pump along with the female spline drive socket.
 
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Comer is a company that makes a lot of different ag style gear boxes. I believe they have some to 540 up to 750 RPM
 

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