Propane tank

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dr3131

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I initially was looking to obtain a propane tank to appease my wife. I would rather not buy one and just hide it. I have no structures to hide it behind and it apparently needs to be with 120' of a driveway.
What things have you planted or put around your propane tanks to hide them.
I'm hoping to take these to the boss to see if they will satisfy her
Thanks in advance.
 
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Can you get one that can be buried?

(I'm asking, not suggesting you can.. I do not know if it's made)

Richard
 
/ Propane tank #3  
My tank is probly 200ft from the road but is easily accessable from the drive.
i would suggest you call and ask a couple of LP suppliers what there needs for access are. Mine does not like bushes but suggested I build a box out of latice to hide it from site with a take off or hinged top that does not inter fear with filling.
What I plan to do is build one and just leave the side off facing the house so they can just flip it on the one side- fill and flip it back up...

Buried sound cool but I hit rock at 2" were mine is.

Just keep in mind if you obstruct it to much they may not provide service...or will ask you to move/remove what ever is in the way before they will deliver...

good luck...

oh' they also appreciate it if you spray for wasp on ocasion /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif they love nesting under the lid on mine in early fall and late spring... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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You can purchase a propane tank that is suitable for burying, however they are very expensive. Around here, if you have one that is above ground, it has to be accessible without much difficulty. If it is buried, then it has to be a certain distance from the house, but I don't know what that distance is. If you have it any distance from the house, you have to use expensive piping to get it to the house and that piping has to be buried in a bed of sand. Where it enters the ground and comes out of the ground, requires some special fittings that are also expensive. I would check with a few local propane dealers to see what the regs are in your area. Around here, the installation can easily be $400 - 500 for a tank located 50 - 75 feet from the house. This is why I haven't gone for the big one yet. 100 gallon cylinder is more than enough and they fill it as needed.....
 
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Buried is not a bad idea but you cannot do it in some states and I was surpised years ago when I visited a friend's house in NJ and they had their's buried.

That's been a long time ago and maybe that has changed but I was always told that Propane seeks the lowest level and you always had to have air moving under a tank in case of a leak.

But, things change as well as rules.

Tom
 
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Well, I guess Junkman answered what I wondered.

Tom
 
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They just started leasing buried tanks around here. No special piping and are pretty relaxed on distanced from house. I think you do have to take a 2 year lease though. But I have found it does vary from state to state and even some counties have regulations of their own.

murph
 
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A buried tank in from my propane dealer in CT will cost you about $3500 installed. I know that they do lease them also, but they tend to want a long term commitment, that I am not going to make. Propane prices vary greatly around here from dealer to dealer and you have to change dealers every few years to get the best price. Last week, I was paying about $1.00 gallon... in the middle of the summer it was down to 85 cents a gallon...... in the middle of the winter, it is out of sight... We can go through over a 1000 gallons a month for heating the store in the dead of winter...
 
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<font color="blue"> ...I was always told that Propane seeks the lowest level... </font>

That's true, propane is heavier than air in its gas state (and lighter than water in the liquid state). I have a good friend who is one of the Florida LP Gas Inspectors, and he gets to play detective whenever there is a major leak, spill or fire. A few years ago, he was called out to a building which had a propane explosion, even though there was no propane in the building! Everyone was mystified, but he solved it. Seems the building had a basement (which is actually very, very rare here in Florida). On the property next door was a buried propane tank which had sprung a leak. Since it won't go up, the gas migrated through the ground, entered the basement through cracks, and exploded when exposed to a source of ignition.They excavated, and he was able to trace the path of the gas with a gas detector. Made him a hero among the other inspectors for a while... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Good explanation, Don. When I was doing gas leakage surveys for natural gas, I occasionally had customers who also had LPG and wanted that checked also. No problem. But when checking natural gas lines, you check along the top of the line while with LPG you check along the bottom of the line to find tiny leaks. So for buried lines, we expected natural gas to rise through the dirt to the surface, but when they had buried LPG lines, I'd check along the surface of the ground, but made sure that the customer understood there were no guarantees since LPG would sink instead of rise and all but major leaks could be missed.
 
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Have a good friend who just finished his dream home just down the road from me. He hid his propane tank in a wooded area and you can't see it from the house itself. A small footpath serves the purpose of keeping it filled. BTW I worked HVAC for 38 years and I really disliked propane compared to natural gas. Even the smallest propane leak from a furnace, hot water heater. gas logs, or the like would always pool in a basement which always caused serious concerns. I quit smoking at a young age as a result of hearing a few horror stories involving propane/cigarettes. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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Bird:

The easiest way to check for gas or propane leaks is to stand back and shoot a flare along the line.

Egon
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The easiest way to check for gas or propane leaks is to stand back and shoot a flare along the line. )</font>


Does that include in the basement?

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All joking aside, a flame test will not always find a propane leak. The range of flashpoint for propane is between 2% and 10% density in air (all numbers are approximate; if anyone wants the percentages to the last decimal point I can look them up /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ). In other words, if there is less than 2% propane in the air it won't light, and if there is more than 10% propane in the air it won't light. Propane dissipates very quickly. In the open, there will be a very narrow band of distance where the mixture is high enough to light - beyond that, it falls off quickly to less than 2%. In a closed area, the mixture can build up quickly beyond 10%. The real danger is in a closed area that is opened. As the air is freshened, the mixture will fall off until it his the 10% point, and then, if there is a source of ignition, you have a Floomph.

Also, even though I use the term myself, propane does not "explode" in the sense that something like dynamite does. What it does is flash burn very, very quickly, which creates so much pressure that things around it tend to get knocked over - like walls and ceilings, for example. In the open, what you get is a big flash of fire which goes out once the fuel is consumed. The pressure can knock you over but you aren't going to disintegrate... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

One of the more interesting things about the Columbine tragedy a few years ago was that the kids had constructed "bombs" consisting of propane cylinders with nails taped to the outside. I'm not sure how they intended to set them off, because what is inside the tank is pure propane which won't light, and once you let some out, it might knock over the cylinders but it isn't going to disturb the nails.

When a propane storage tank develops a leak (usually a valve failure of some kind), they don't want the propane spewing around where it might reach flash point near a source of ignition. So, what they do in some cases is light the leak and let it burn until the tank is empty. Makes a pretty neat tower of flame but doesn't bother the tank...

Propane boils at -44 degrees F to produce the gas we burn. Normally, room temperature is plenty to make it boil (it won't boil as long as it is at stable pressure, but as soon as you use some vapor, it boils to produce more and stabilize the pressure again). But if it's pretty cold, it will draw all of the heat it can from the surrounding air, then stop boiling (this is what causes the rime of ice around the outside of a cylinder). If it's cold enough, below -44 F, you can carry liquid propane around in an open bucket. In cold climates, and in situations where the vapor is being used rapidly (like for a boiler), they have to wrap the tank with heated blankets to vaporize the liquid. One trick of the "old timers" (before our society got so litigious, back when people accepted responsibility for their own actions) was to build a wood fire under a tank to help vaporize the liquid.

Sorry to get a little off topic, but I always found some of these facts interesting. Please, no Hank Hill jokes... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Many years ago I was working on the propane heater under the deck of our house. It had an electronic pilot that would occasionally loose its grounding contact and I would have to re-establish it with a loosening and re tightening of the mounting screw. I forgot to turn off the furnace at the thermostat by turning it down below room temperature. After the repair, I flipped the switch to power the unit. What I hadn't realized is that the propane that didn't ignite had pooled in the bottom of the furnace and when I flipped the switch, it went BOOM! I crawled out from under the deck and went around to the front of the house and my wife came running around the back of the house screaming are you OK? I came into the house from the front door and walked out on the deck and just stood there...... When she finally looked up and saw me standing there, she asked how I got there..... I said...... I was blown into the air and landed there. It wasn't till the next day that I told her that I was only joking..... the next week was one of the best in our married life..... she stopped talking to me!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Did you loose you eyebrows? That's a pretty common occurance with that type of incident.

Egon
 
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OkeeDon:

Very comprehensive informative post.

A propane tank subjected to flame and high heat may Blevy. Go boom. This is not a pleasant experience.

In confined areas there is also the danger of a person becoming unconsious from lack of air. This happens so insidiously the person is not aware of it happening.

Egon
 

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