Problem With New Yanmar??

[BruceR]

• FULLY RECONDITIONED RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S.A.

One would imagine that a clean radiator would be part of the reconditioning process. My 2000B would run close to hot with a bush hog on back until I pulled the radiator and had it professionaly cleaned. Cost about $50. But then, I was cutting 10' tall wild plum thickets.

Bruce

 

[normde2001]

On a YM2000, anything over 180 is overheating under any circumstances. Mine, and several others on these forums never get over 160, in any weather, speed, or load conditions, unless the rad gets plugged with chaff. If it were mine I would keep cleaning the radiator until the water runs clear, or take it to a radiator shop. (How's your radiator cap?)

 

[pruntyc]

You need to forget that it seems to run cooler at lower rpms. You don't run them that way, like Brent says you run it at the little line on the tack around 2200 rpms, that is the speed it is suppose to run at, not some rpm you think is working better. And keep the pto lever in the #1 setting. Also I noticed you said you lifted it up, where it skids were not touching. They are not suppose to touch, unless on rough ground, sometimes, that would make the tractor work a lot harder, dragging it. Which would make it run hotter. But again, this should not be your problem, rco is the one that said it was in good shape to work, so they are the ones that should fix it, if you are doing the things right on your end.

 

[Travis_R]

I AGREE.............

Stuart called me yesterday and left a message.........I didn't get the message til today....................I am fixing to call him back............The little "white" line on my tractor's rpm gauge is about 2400rpms @ 540.............

I just go off of it with my 5' cutter...........I used it for a good while cutting grass............It ran at 189-190 degrees and NEVER went over 190. I was running it at about 2200 rpms...............I flushed the radiator this morning and put the 50/50 mix back in it.......Then I started cutting grass..........

From what everyone is saying, I now fully believe I have an overheating problem..................How does everyone think RCO should go about fixing it?

Travis R

 

[Tom_Veatch]

Norm, are you absolutely sure about that 180F figure for an overheat limit? Most thermostatically controlled cooling systems for IC engines don't even begin to circulate coolant until above 180F. (I'm not saying the YM2000 system is thermostatically controlled - I don't know whether it is or not.)

I believe that I'd be more concerned that an engine with coolant temps in the 160F range was running too cold than I would be that a 180F temp was too hot.

 

[normde2001]

Norm, are you absolutely sure about that 180F figure for an overheat limit? Most thermostatically controlled cooling systems for IC engines don't even begin to circulate coolant until above 180F. (I'm not saying the YM2000 system is thermostatically controlled - I don't know whether it is or not.)

I believe that I'd be more concerned that an engine with coolant temps in the 160F range was running too cold than I would be that a 180F temp was too hot.

I'm not aware of any overheat limit, but that's the temp that a YM2000B seems to run with a good cooling system, no thermostat. If you want it hotter you can always block the radiator.

 

[arthr31]

travis,

few things--- first, don't quite yet throw rco under the bus about communication- it is, afterall, a holiday weekend, right? Give the guys a chance... with that said, secondly, *you* need to decide what *you* want to see them do to resolve the problem, no one else here, it's your tractor. Tell them what you want to see happen to get this corrected. In my case, I told John what I wanted, he/RCO pulled through for me, in a major way (shipped 'nother tractor to me...).

Thirdly, do you know, or have access to, a local diesel mechanic? If not, have you asked to talk to one of RCO's mechanics? I think that talking with someone while working with the tractor will go a long way...

In the meantime, while waiting to hear back from them, you should probably not run the tractor, use your Mahindra instead. Decide what it is you would like to see done to resolve the problem, then discuss with the dealer.

Everyone here has given great advice, from too large an implement, to not running WOT, etc.

It's a good time to stop, do some methodical troubleshooting, talk to a mechanic, etc.

Stick with it, you'll resolve this gremlin and all should be well with the tractor!!

I AGREE.............

Stuart called me yesterday and left a message.........I didn't get the message til today....................I am fixing to call him back............The little "white" line on my tractor's rpm gauge is about 2400rpms @ 540.............

I just go off of it with my 5' cutter...........I used it for a good while cutting grass............It ran at 189-190 degrees and NEVER went over 190. I was running it at about 2200 rpms...............I flushed the radiator this morning and put the 50/50 mix back in it.......Then I started cutting grass..........

From what everyone is saying, I now fully believe I have an overheating problem..................How does everyone think RCO should go about fixing it?

Travis R

 

[Travis_R]

OK FELLAS,

THANKS FOR ALL OF THE REPLIES AND SUPPORT........I TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE IT............

I just got off of the phone with Stuart with RCO Tractor................He said everything is fine...........BUT THE 5' BUSH HOG IS TOO MUCH FOR THE TRACTOR, AND I DO AGREE.......As long as the tractor don't run over 200 degrees, everything is fine.........I must take the 5' bush hog off before I burn something up.......I can only run a 4' brush cutter...............I can run a 5' finish mower, but not a 5' brush cutter............He said that a 6' finish mower is too big for it too........So, when I buy one, it will be a 5 footer...............

Like I said earlier.............When I get the finish mower on my tractor, It will probably NEVER be taken off........Unless something needs servicing.

Well, I gotta go......I want some seat time!.............I think it had 8.4 hours on it when they dropped it off at my house................It now has 18.5 hrs on the meter................By the end of today, it will have a lot more........

Again, thanks for the replies and support............I am PROUD TO BE A YANMAR OWNER!!

Travis R

 

[shvl73]

I just got off of the phone with Stuart with RCO Tractor

I think they deserve some credit for being available after noon on a Saturday, on Labor Day weekend, to speak with a customer.

 

[pruntyc]

Well, I personally think you do have some heating problem, and I think he does to. It should be able to run a 6 foot finish mower, and because he also thinks you have a heating problem, he is saying to go with a 5. A good salesman can make you believe things that aren't always completely true, and I think this is one of those times. He can save a lot of money if he can make you believe it is right. There is people running a 6 foot one, with a 1700, and it don't have a water pump, and they aren't having a heating problem. You better think about it, as when the guarantee period is up, you have nothing to do then, it will be to late.

 

[HGM]

Well, I personally think you do have some heating problem, and I think he does to. It should be able to run a 6 foot finish mower, and because he also thinks you have a heating problem, he is saying to go with a 5. A good salesman can make you believe things that aren't always completely true, and I think this is one of those times. He can save a lot of money if he can make you believe it is right. There is people running a 6 foot one, with a 1700, and it don't have a water pump, and they aren't having a heating problem. You better think about it, as when the guarantee period is up, you have nothing to do then, it will be to late.

I have to agree with Dick here... I think you still have an issue, but give it a try and see what it does.. Keep in mind that the ambiant temp might play a part in it as well.. Keep an eye on things an keep RCO involved until the waranty runs up, dont let it sneek up on you..

I think they deserve some credit for being available after noon on a Saturday, on Labor Day weekend, to speak with a customer.

I do agree with tis too, props to them for that..

 

[Travis_R]

As far as the 6' finishing mower issue goes, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RUN IT......I just got through cutting a VERY little bit of grass with my 6' LMC finis mower...........I had to shut the tractor down..........It got up to 220 degrees and I got scared so I shut it off.............Stuart said it shouldn't run over 200 degrees with 4 and 5 foot implements............But i'll tell ya' that I don't think (speculating) that running a 1 foot LESS finish mower (5ft.) than what i'm running now will bring the temp down 20-30 degrees.............I just don't see how thats possible.............You see, I have 5 and 6 foot implements for my Mahindra, which I gotta say handles them Extremely well (45hp), so I really can't see going to buy Smaller implements JUST for the Yanmar...........I think I need a bigger tractor............Maybe a YM2500, YM2310, or a YM3000 (which I really like).............It don't make any sense to me going and buying a 5' finish mower when I already have a 6'............

Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,Any one want to buy a YM2000 at a good price??

Travis R

tricks@charter.net

 

[pruntyc]

You aren't a very honest person. You know as we have all told you, you have a tractor that isn't what it should be. And now you want to stick someone else with it, instead of making rco do what he said. He guaranteed it you said, well, make him fix it or give you your money back. It should run a 6 foot finish mower as I told you, if it won't then its not because the tractor is too small, it needs fixed. Face it man, you have been had by a recon, that everyone tried to tell everyone about before.

 

[Travis_R]

NOW WAIT JUST A MINUTE................What the the hel* do you mean Im not an honest person and that Im trying to "stick" someone with it..............I Posted that I would give someone a good price........Because of the heating issue.............I think I need a bigger................You know what???? Just go back and read my last post and try to understand it before you go to running your mouth, man............If you have known me for a while, you would see that I am as honest as a person can be.........Do you need refrences to my friends and co-workers? I'll GLADLY give them to ya'...........I know what it is.......I have a vietnam recon and you, like mostly everyone else don't like them..............Everypne one here has been SO helpful to me, INCLUDING you until you made your comments.

Travis

 

[Inspector507]

On a YM2000, anything over 180 is overheating under any circumstances.

I don't know about the above statement, but water won't boil until 212 degrees. A sealed cooling system should be able to handle 190-210 all day long. Water will expand and flow from the radiator to the overflow container when it heats up, that's normal. When it cools it contracts and gets sucked back into the radiator if there is an overflow container and a properly sized radiator cap. Water and water-antifreeze combo will boil out at a much higher temp under pressure.
I haven't wrenched on many cars recently but in the old days, it wasn't out of the normal to install a 180-195 degree thermostat. That's the temp it opens to get some cooling.

A lot depends on circumstances. What's the ambient temp, the humidity, the size/weight of the implement, the drag induced on the tractor?

I agree a 5' rotary cutter is probably too large for a YM2000. I have not owned a YM2000, but I used a YM1700 for quite a few years without the water pump that a YM2000 has and I never got worried until I hit 230 or above

 

[Travis_R]

Inspector,

What did you do to bring the temp down on the 1700 besides letting it cool? What I mean is did you get a new radiator, install a YM2000 water pump, etc...?

 

[Inspector507]

Inspector,

What did you do to bring the temp down on the 1700 besides letting it cool? What I mean is did you get a new radiator, install a YM2000 water pump, etc...?

I did nothing except make sure the radiator and prescreen was clean. It operated all day at 190-210 when I had it.

 

[California]

Travis, these tractors are designed to run flat out at rated hp and never overheat. In Japan they are used primarily to rototill, a continuous heavy-load task. I'm sure the rated hp is continuous, for example running an irrigation pump or generator day and night. If it won't do that it without overheating, and you are using the correct sized implements, then it doesn't meet spec.

Dick, lighten up. Name-calling isn't going to improve anything here. Let's talk tractors, not personalities.

 

[pruntyc]

Travis you pretty well know that no one on here would want it, as even if rco would fix it for you, when you sell it, the guarantee would be history. You said in an earlier post that if it was bad you would sell it, that is why I said that. If its fixed first then you are honest, or tell the person buying it, if they would, what is wrong with it. And as far as not liking a Vietnam recon, well, most people know that a lot of them are junk, but you said from the start, you didn't think it would happen to you, for you liked the things rco said to you on the phone, they must be salesmen, as you are still defending them. And I had a YM1700 for about three years, and I'm sure it would have run a 6 foot finish mower without a problem. I only had a 4 foot bush-hog, but cut some real heavy stuff with it, and it didn't get hot, unless I let the radiator get loaded with chafe. And that is without a water pump, and not up north like the inspector, but close to you, I'm in MS. I'm not trying to make you mad, just think you should do the right thing and make rco fix it like they said they would. You are right California, I was wrong.